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Old 02-18-2010, 07:57 PM   #1
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I am aware of the groups that raised awareness and concern over the very small number of job reports in non-existing zip codes and attributed those clerical errors.
You are ignoring the glaring facts. And they did not attribute those errors to only "clerical errors".
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Old 02-18-2010, 08:00 PM   #2
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The number of grants to non-existing zip codes was very small..less than one percent, and yes, from what I recall, clerical error was citied as the likely problem.

But you still cant point me to the links to those MANY non-government groups you cited?

I looked through the thread and could not find such links.
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Old 02-18-2010, 08:07 PM   #3
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The number of grants to non-existing zip codes was very small..less than one percent, and yes, from what I recall, clerical error was citied as the likely problem.

But you still cant point me to the links to those MANY non-government groups you cited?

I looked through the thread and could not find such links.
Start with stimulus watch for the number of jobs actually created, not the bogus Gov numbers.

http://www.stimuluswatch.org/2.0/
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Old 02-18-2010, 08:12 PM   #4
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Start with stimulus watch for the number of jobs actually created, not the bogus Gov numbers.

http://www.stimuluswatch.org/2.0/
Hey its great that stimulus watch now includes the jobs created for that Jennie-O Turkey grant.

http://www.stimuluswatch.org/2.0/

http://stimuluswatch.org/2.0/awards/...y-deli-breasts

Top of the list...move active today -- 286 jobs created....same as the data reported to the government. Bogus?
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Old 02-18-2010, 08:00 PM   #5
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As both of you hold up the CBO to support your positions how could you ignore these statements? Do you have your heads in the sand?

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The CNN Fact Check Desk found that:

– Last November, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that between 600,000 and 1.6 million jobs were created through the third quarter, but said "it is impossible to determine how many of the reported jobs would have existed in the absence of the stimulus package."
– Also in November, the Government Accountability Office found "significant reporting and quality issues that need to be addressed."
– Last December, The White House Office of Management and Budget changed its guidance for stimulus recipients. Instead of asking recipients to report the amount of jobs created or saved with stimulus money, the Office asked recipients to report the amount of jobs "funded" by stimulus money.

Bottom Line: The White House-reported figures on jobs that were created under the stimulus plan are not specific enough to be deemed reliable.
These are not minor clerical errors....
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Old 02-18-2010, 08:02 PM   #6
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But you repeatedly refered to MANY non-governmental groups.

I cant find your cites....help!
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Old 02-18-2010, 08:15 PM   #7
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But you repeatedly refered to MANY non-governmental groups.

I cant find your cites....help!
Here is another great one.

http://stimulus.org/

2009 Stimulus (American Recovery and Reinvestment Act) by Various Agencies ; Responsible for a deficit of $862.00 billion.

Compare to the other deficit contributions.
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Old 02-18-2010, 08:17 PM   #8
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Here is another great one.

http://stimulus.org/

2009 Stimulus (American Recovery and Reinvestment Act) by Various Agencies ; Responsible for a deficit of $862.00 billion.

Compare to the other deficit contributions.
Over 3 fiscal years and the biggest single piece - $288 billion...tax cuts (lost revenue = budget deficits)
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Old 02-18-2010, 08:21 PM   #9
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Over 3 fiscal years and the biggest single piece - $288 billion...tax cuts (lost revenue = budget deficits)
Ummm we are not talking about tax cuts. We are talking about the impact of Obama and this Congress spending habits which has exploded the deficit.
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Ummm we are not talking about tax cuts. We are talking about the impact of Obama and this Congress spending habits which has exploded the deficit.
You pointed to stimlus watch and the ARRA contributions to the deficit.

The biggest single piece of the $862 billion (over three fiscal years) ARRA contributions to the deficit are the ARRA tax cuts.....$288 billion in less revenue.

Deficits do not just result from spending more...but also from receiving less.
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Old 02-18-2010, 08:09 PM   #11
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Even the person who Obama appointed says they are incorrect.

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WASHINGTON — The government watchdog overseeing the federal stimulus program testified Thursday that he could not vouch for the Obama administration’s recent claims that the money had saved or created 640,000 jobs. He suggested that the administration should have treated the number with more skepticism.

The 640,000 figure, announced by the White House with some fanfare last month, came from reports filed by recipients of the stimulus money, many of which have been shown to be inaccurate or overstated since they were made public. But the watchdog, Earl E. Devaney, the chairman of the Recovery Accountability and Transparency Board, said that it was also possible that the figure understated how many jobs were affected. Up to 10 percent of the recipients had not filed the required reports showing how many jobs they had created or saved, he said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/20/us...0stimulus.html
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Old 02-18-2010, 08:46 PM   #12
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CBO estimated that the total cost of the bill would total $862 billion. Not deficit neutral.
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Old 02-18-2010, 08:49 PM   #13
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The federal budget deficit hit an all-time high for the month of December, and deficit spending for the first three months of the new budget year is also surpassing last year’s record pace.


The $91.85 billion budget deficit in December, a record for the month, marked a record 15 straight months of government red ink, the Treasury Department said Wednesday.


The monthly budget gap, up from a $51.75 billion deficit in December 2008, pushed the budget shortfall for the first quarter of fiscal 2010 to $388.51 billion. That compares to a $332.49 billion deficit for the same period a year ago.


The December deficit was in line with Wall Street and Congressional Budget Office estimates for a $92 billion gap.


Last year’s annual deficit surged to $1.42 trillion, more than three times the record of the previous year — an imbalance of $454.8 billion set in 2008.


The Obama administration is projecting that this year’s deficit will climb even higher, to $1.5 trillion, which would be 5.6 percent higher than the 2009 deficit. That figure will be revised when the president sends his new budget to Congress in early February.


President Barack Obama’s deficit-cutting plans are expected to be featured prominently in the budget he will submit to Congress in early February for the 2011 budget year that begins Oct. 1.


Through the first three months of the budget year, government revenues totaled $487.78 billion, a drop of 10.9 percent from the same period a year ago.


Outlays through December totaled $878.28 billion, a decline of 0.4 percent from the same period a year ago. That drop reflected smaller outlays for the government’s $700 billion rescue program compared with the same period a year ago, when the program was just getting started.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz0fwjV71ft
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