Law Enforcment

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Big Sarge

I know this is 3 posts in a row for me, but I need to put this out. Just because we disagree doesn't mean we can't be friends. I realize we've grown up in different parts of the country, have different life experiences, and different levels of education. If I huff and puff in here, it doesn't mean I don't like you. Heck, I really respect and like Dr Dana even though I think she is liberal without a clue of what is really going on over here. Dana, no disrespect intended you were simply a quick liberal reference

I still love ya, ya big panda

Originally Posted by Big Sarge

Please state the criminal statute and the punishment for said offense.

I don't know statutes. How about attempted murder? Gross negligence?

Originally Posted by Big Sarge

I want to see what you is driving your desire to ruin these officers' lives, wreck the criminal justice system, and cause civil unrest.

I don't desire that. I desire the end to killing people that shouldn't be killed. I also desire accountability.

Originally Posted by Big Sarge

Here's Freddie Gray's arrest record. I don't have his prison, probation, and parole periods.

Prior behavior does not mean someone is guilty of current accusations. You should know that.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

I don't know statutes. How about attempted murder?

I doubt they intended for him to die, but he did, which is the opposite of attempted murder So negligent homicide or manslaughter would be more appropriate.

[Big Sarge]

I know this is 3 posts in a row for me, but I need to put this out. Just because we disagree doesn't mean we can't be friends. I realize we've grown up in different parts of the country, have different life experiences, and different levels of education. If I huff and puff in here, it doesn't mean I don't like you. Heck, I really respect and like Dr Dana even though I think she is liberal without a clue of what is really going on over here. Dana, no disrespect intended you were simply a quick liberal reference

[Happy Monkey]

Bringing up oppo research on the victim seems like a justification for injuring him, rather than support for the claim that there was no intent to injure him.

[Big Sarge]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Bringing up oppo research on the victim seems like a justification for injuring him, rather than support for the claim that there was no intent to injure him.

I think it shows he was a thug.

[Undertoad]

Freddie Gray's arrest record

Is it interesting to note that, if there is no war on drugs, this is reduced to (if not further)

March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault
January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing
September 28, 2013: Second-degree assault, second-degree escape

If there is no war on drugs he is sentenced and serves realistically for these crimes, since that's what society then focuses on, and he is not around to be arrested again.

[Happy Monkey]

Whether he was a thug or not doesn't matter unless you're trying to justify intentionally injuring him, which you claim didn't happen.

Without further detail, that arrest record could mean anything. Drug possession isn't thuggish, "intent to distribute" is meaningless. There don't appear to be any charges for actually distributing. Trespassing isn't particularly thuggish , fourth degree burglary could be anything from trespassing to B&E, and 2nd degree assault is assault without injury.

Or, they could be more serious. You can't tell from the arrest record, and, like I said, it doesn't matter anyway.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Big Sarge

Spexxvet - You need to check the Maryland statute for second degree assault.

Might you have meant to address Happy Monkey?

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

...2nd degree assault is assault without injury.

[Big Sarge]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Might you have meant to address Happy Monkey?

Apologies to Spexxvet. Apologies to all with that crazy ivory tower statement. I don't even remember posting it. That last sentence is really bizarre.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Big Sarge

Apologies to Spexxvet. Apologies to all with that crazy ivory tower statement. I don't even remember posting it. That last sentence is really bizarre.

Saw this after I posted, sorry sarge.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Big Sarge

Apologies to Spexxvet. ...

Thanks, but not necessary.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Might you have meant to address Happy Monkey?

Originally Posted by Big Sarge

Apologies to Spexxvet. Apologies to all with that crazy ivory tower statement. I don't even remember posting it. That last sentence is really bizarre.

Apologies from me as well; I had looked up the definition of second degree assault in Maryland, and then misread it.

[DanaC]

Not to mention an arrest is not the same as a conviction. You can't assume guilt from arrest.

[Big Sarge]

Hmm, I see 5 possessions with intent to distribute. True, I don't have the convictions, but we can surmise with the gaps in the arrest records and the 2 arrests for violation of probation. They don't put you on probation for sitting on the front pew of church.

Spexxvet - You need to check the Maryland statute for second degree assault.

In Maryland, second-degree assault is defined as causing someone physical injury. This excludes minor injuries. Although less serious than first-degree assault, second-degree assault still comes with a fairly stiff penalty. In fact, if convicted, you can face up to 10 years in prison and a $2,500 fine

[BigV]

Sarge,

You do your arguments a disservice when you clearly imply threat/intent/suspicion based on elements completely disconnected to the events at hand, going well outside the letter of the law, and then in the next breath, stand by the officers requiring the people on the other side of the argument to supply tangible, actionable, admissible evidence, by law, to support their claims, or stfu.

Pick one or the other. A strict legalistic perspective of guilt and innocence and culpability, or a more holistic perspective that includes hunches and tendencies and histories and other subjective measures to justify your conclusions. When you try to have it both ways, you just look inconsistent.

The very bedrock of our civil society depends on a predictable, systemic, shared expectation of our mutual respect for the rule of law. Let's face it, the police are outnumbered and outgunned. Why are they not all dead then? Because we, as a group, respect the system. It's not right to measure the actions of the different sides or groups by different standards. That's a recipe for trouble, for anarchy.