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wolf · 06-22-2005, 07:20 PM

Mebbe someone leaned on the 13 year old pressuring him not to testify? The pizza guy says Tate and there's also a print on the pizza box ... were they printed up some years back at the prison?

Jordon · 07-09-2005, 07:29 PM

This is why gangs use underage members for certain murders.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-09-2005, 08:14 PM

Welcome to the Cellar, Jordan.

You're right and there are to many kids trying to "earn" their way in by taking the job, knowing they will not fry.

kleinshelley · 09-17-2006, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Welcome to the Cellar, Jordan.

You're right and there are to many kids trying to "earn" their way in by taking the job, knowing they will not fry.

i'm not sure what the penalty is matters when it comes to murder. because people don't usually think they're going to get caught for the crime. if they thought they'd get caught, they wouldn't do the murder regardless of whether the punishments was 10 years in prison or if it was death penalty

9th Engineer · 09-17-2006, 02:43 AM

Still, the death penalty says more than just "we will punish you for your crime" in the same way because you can get life in jail for things less than murder. The death penalty says "We have deemed your actions so abhorent that we refute your right to live". And that's why I'm glad we have it. I don't even think it's punishment, once you're dead everything kind of loses its meaning to you. I'm trying to think of what society used to punish it's worst criminals by not only killing them, but erasing them from all records as if they never existed. Basically saying "You should never have existed on this Earth, we are fixing that problem". Sends a different message, maybe it'll reach its target better.

xoxoxoBruce · 09-17-2006, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

Still, the death penalty says more than just "we will punish you for your crime" ~snip

The death penalty is saying, we don't think rehabilitation is possible, so you're gone.

xoxoxoBruce · 09-17-2006, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kleinshelley

i'm not sure what the penalty is matters when it comes to murder. because people don't usually think they're going to get caught for the crime. if they thought they'd get caught, they wouldn't do the murder regardless of whether the punishments was 10 years in prison or if it was death penalty

Quite often is does matter, juveniles are often given incarceration until they are adults then freed to start over.
Thinking they won't get caught doesn't always apply. Juveniles in service to thugs, sort of interns, know their status as a juvenile will get them a lighter sentence and win their place in the underworld. Doing a few years for the "Boss" earns his respect and gratitude.
College and career is not an option, nor even choice, for everyone.

JayMcGee · 09-17-2006, 07:20 PM

*sighs*.... so easily taken in.....

06-22-2005, 07:20 PM	#1
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Mebbe someone leaned on the 13 year old pressuring him not to testify? The pizza guy says Tate and there's also a print on the pizza box ... were they printed up some years back at the prison? __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

07-09-2005, 08:14 PM	#3
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Welcome to the Cellar, Jordan. You're right and there are to many kids trying to "earn" their way in by taking the job, knowing they will not fry. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-17-2006, 02:43 AM	#5
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	Still, the death penalty says more than just "we will punish you for your crime" in the same way because you can get life in jail for things less than murder. The death penalty says "We have deemed your actions so abhorent that we refute your right to live". And that's why I'm glad we have it. I don't even think it's punishment, once you're dead everything kind of loses its meaning to you. I'm trying to think of what society used to punish it's worst criminals by not only killing them, but erasing them from all records as if they never existed. Basically saying "You should never have existed on this Earth, we are fixing that problem". Sends a different message, maybe it'll reach its target better. __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

09-17-2006, 07:20 PM	#8
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	sighs.... so easily taken in..... __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

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Jordon Coronation Incarnate Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 93	This is why gangs use underage members for certain murders.

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