Militarist Credibility

Griff · 05-08-2005, 08:21 AM

I couldn't help but be struck by the different receptions Clinton and Bush have received while cravenly taking advantage of the sacrifices of the WWII generation. Neither man did any true service to this country. Clinton could have served his country by openly resisting and Bush could have actually served. Both men failed in the test of their supposed ideals. I guess Bush gets a pass because he's killed more Americans.

Troubleshooter · 05-08-2005, 12:08 PM

I've been concerned about the military's credibility for a while now, but what's your point. I mean were you going somewhere with this or just vocalizing, so to speak?

I mean it was really stupid to demote a mid-level general, who happens to be female, for shoplifting. You get deal with tokenism, stereotyping and discrimination all in one swell foop.

Griff · 05-08-2005, 01:59 PM

My concern is that neither President did well by his military personel but Bush seems to get a pass because he's better at faking concern for this group and plays the conservative. Bush has credibility among militarists while Clinton did not. I suppose that Bushes absurd spending in related industries creates a positive buzz for him among retired personel in "private" industry that carries over to those who are still serving and hope to cash in after. This line of thinking was sparked by the similarity of the images of the Presidents when Clinton went over for D-Day and Bush went over for VE Day. Somehow Bush is credible when honoring the veterans while Clinton was an obvious fraud... I guess I'm just vocalizing.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-08-2005, 05:25 PM

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I mean it was really stupid to demote a mid-level general, who happens to be female, for shoplifting. You get deal with tokenism, stereotyping and discrimination all in one swell foop.

Are saying if it were a male they wouldn't have been demoted or that any shoplifting General shouldn't be demoted?

Troubleshooter · 05-08-2005, 05:41 PM

I'm not sure that they would have demoted a male general for shoplifting. It just doesn't seem to have the feel of something they would do. Anyone who has been in the military may know what I'm saying. It's not a fact, it's just a really strong hunch.

Happy Monkey · 05-08-2005, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

I'm not sure that they would have demoted a male general for shoplifting.

Of course not! Male generals don't shoplift! If anything, they forget to pay! More likely, the cashier forgot that the general actually did pay!

xoxoxoBruce · 05-08-2005, 08:46 PM

I see, so conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman can only be committed by an officer an a lady?

lookout123 · 05-09-2005, 09:55 AM

TS -i'm not sure about the military you were in, but the one i've spent the last 13 years in would bust a male general right out of his shorts for shoplifting. i've seen generals tossed for an on-base DUI, and another for having an affair with another married officer. shoplifting? hell they'd be gone without question.

Troubleshooter · 05-09-2005, 10:02 AM

I got out of the Navy in early '93. It just seems that they would have found something more manly to bust a male admiral for.

Like I said, just a feeling (hunch) and things do change.

05-08-2005, 08:21 AM	#1
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Militarist Credibility I couldn't help but be struck by the different receptions Clinton and Bush have received while cravenly taking advantage of the sacrifices of the WWII generation. Neither man did any true service to this country. Clinton could have served his country by openly resisting and Bush could have actually served. Both men failed in the test of their supposed ideals. I guess Bush gets a pass because he's killed more Americans. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

05-08-2005, 12:08 PM	#2
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	I've been concerned about the military's credibility for a while now, but what's your point. I mean were you going somewhere with this or just vocalizing, so to speak? I mean it was really stupid to demote a mid-level general, who happens to be female, for shoplifting. You get deal with tokenism, stereotyping and discrimination all in one swell foop. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

05-08-2005, 01:59 PM	#3
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	My concern is that neither President did well by his military personel but Bush seems to get a pass because he's better at faking concern for this group and plays the conservative. Bush has credibility among militarists while Clinton did not. I suppose that Bushes absurd spending in related industries creates a positive buzz for him among retired personel in "private" industry that carries over to those who are still serving and hope to cash in after. This line of thinking was sparked by the similarity of the images of the Presidents when Clinton went over for D-Day and Bush went over for VE Day. Somehow Bush is credible when honoring the veterans while Clinton was an obvious fraud... I guess I'm just vocalizing. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

05-08-2005, 05:41 PM	#5
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	I'm not sure that they would have demoted a male general for shoplifting. It just doesn't seem to have the feel of something they would do. Anyone who has been in the military may know what I'm saying. It's not a fact, it's just a really strong hunch. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

05-08-2005, 08:46 PM	#7
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I see, so conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman can only be committed by an officer an a lady? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-09-2005, 09:55 AM	#8
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	TS -i'm not sure about the military you were in, but the one i've spent the last 13 years in would bust a male general right out of his shorts for shoplifting. i've seen generals tossed for an on-base DUI, and another for having an affair with another married officer. shoplifting? hell they'd be gone without question. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

05-09-2005, 10:02 AM	#9
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	I got out of the Navy in early '93. It just seems that they would have found something more manly to bust a male admiral for. Like I said, just a feeling (hunch) and things do change. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

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