Urban Impression - Page 4

Kitsune · 12-02-2004, 10:54 AM

Georgia tried to pass a law four years ago permitting you to shoot anyone who broke into your home, threatening or not, but it failed. Most states, including Florida, don't permit you to shoot someone just for breaking and entering -- your life must be in danger and the burgular must have a weapon and be threatening you with it. I think it really depends on the police investigating the incident, however. In Atlanta five or six years ago, it made the news that a man woke up to find someone trying to steal his car. The car owner pulled a rifle, shot the man from the safety of his home, and killed the would be thief. Police arrived on the scene, looked around, arrested no one. When the chief was confronted by the family of the car theif expecting that the owner of the car should be arrested for manslaughter, he responded, "Well, I guess he would have lived if he hadn't been stealing someone's car."

Carjacking is a different matter because the "castle law" does not apply. If someone is trying to carjack you in Florida or most other states, your first response had better be to step on the gas and drive away or get out of the car and run like hell as you do not have the same rights as being in your home. You may only pull a gun if you intend to use it to kill the criminal and you may only do that if you absolutely no means of escape. Only in a house do you have the right to stand your ground and not flee.

I highly recommend the book Florida Firearms by Jon H. Gutmacher if you have a CCW in Florida -- its an important read and I hope other states have similar books that discuss the law, sample cases, etc. Some of the sample cases are damn scary and show that you can easily have murder charges pressed against you, and be convicted, even if you were properly defending yourself.

Troubleshooter · 12-02-2004, 11:07 AM

All I know is that I'm keeping my car.

There was a legitimate reason that they used to hang horse thieves.

Those of you who live in a major metropolis might be able to get around with public transit, but people who don't live in a city of sufficient size are unable survive without a car.

jinx · 12-02-2004, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitsune

I think that'd only be legal in Texas.

And South Carolina

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Condon said the case law in South Carolina "gives iron-clad protection to the citizen in safeguarding his or her home. Inside the citizen's home, there are no legal technicalities for the criminal to rely on." Force even deadly force may be used, ruled the Court, "if such degree of force be reasonably necessary to accomplish the purpose of preventing a forcible entry against his will."

Billy · 12-02-2004, 09:56 PM

KaiPing LiYuan Garden. YuPei Villa is romantic in the big Garden to memorialize the garden master's dead wife.

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Built it in 1926-1936, the area of projection of the building: 64 square meters, 12.8 meters are *5 meters, it is 5 layers high. With garden main infant name "whether Yu bank up with earth" name, for commemorating and like concubine Tan jade of Great Britains' building, four layer respectively for imitating by China Gu Shi, Japan getting into bed types, Italy hiding types, Rome palace type. Ground construct four "heart" round case that connect together, express garden main fact to 4 madam their hearts are like one's wholehearted response ingenious.

1=YuPei Villa
2=Hostess' Dresser

Billy · 12-02-2004, 10:06 PM

The hostess' figure looks like a big Shanghai star in 1920s. She is the master's third wife and the most beautiful. The villa was built after she died.
The incense and the heating oven wait for hostess to come. I stood there and stared at the room to imagine.
1=Hostess Figure
2=Heating Oven

Clodfobble · 12-02-2004, 08:21 AM

Really? I thought for sure any state where you could have a gun in your home (with a license, of course) you would be able to use it in self-defense.

Happy Monkey · 12-02-2004, 08:40 AM

Sometimes, though, it's not automatically self defense if the guy's in your home.

Pretty good evidence, but not automatic.

wolf · 12-02-2004, 01:30 PM

Texas is one of the few states that allows you to shoot to protect property.

Most states require that you be in fear of loss of your life or grievous injury to shoot an intruder.

Pennsylvania is that way.

Belief that the intruder intended rape, incidently, would qualify as grounds to shoot.

There are a couple of other little niceties to the law that are important to be aware of, including that you can't shoot an intruder when he/she is fleeing.

Some states require that the homeowner make all attempts to retreat before firing. (Basically you have to let the guy who wants to kill you back you into a corner before you shoot so that it's justified.)

The majority of "defensive uses of firearms" don't involve firing a shot.

And I have the crazy Texan Outgunned. (not the mildly weird one, though. I've seen pictures.)

(there is a .pdf document called "Gun Facts" that has a lot of information about firearms and their use in the US. Defensive uses is covered on page 31.

Billy · 12-02-2004, 06:47 PM

It sounds like that your gun protection method is much more dangerous than our window bars. The more protection methods you use, the more stealing tools the thief make, such as "911".

Billy · 12-02-2004, 07:14 PM

Ago I could not understand why many people want to travel Tibet because the trip is very tired and a little dangerous. I know the reason when I see these good pix.

1=Lhasa River
2=Figure of Buddha

xoxoxoBruce · 12-02-2004, 07:24 PM

You're cheating Billy, we want to see pictures you take.

In handling intruders in your home, they repercussions are generally your word against his/hers. Dead men tell no tales.

Billy · 12-02-2004, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

You're cheating Billy, we want to see pictures you take.

Sorry. I cannot go out because of the operation. So I posted the pix that my friends sent me. I will try to take after I recover well.
I will edit and post the pix that I took in last trip in October.

zippyt · 12-02-2004, 10:39 PM

Beautiful pics Billy !!!!!!

Bars on windows - Bars on windows DO help keep robbers out , BUT , and this is a BIG BUT , if there is a fire you CAN'T jump out of the window !!!!!!!! Yes most mfgrs do supply a wrench to open the window incase of a fire , BUT who is thinking when they are woken up by smoke filling a room in the middle of the nite ?????

Guns and home defence - In Arkansas you can defend your PROPERTY as in your WHOLE porperty , yard and all , just don't use to much force . I do feel sorry for any body that breaks in to our house with us here , they WILL get a sudden case of lead poisining !!!!!

garnet · 12-03-2004, 11:26 AM

Wonderful pictures, Billy! Thanks for posting them. I very much hope to visit China someday.

glatt · 12-03-2004, 11:37 AM

I like the pavilion too.

The geometry of the roof is interesting. The "rafters" aren't spaced evenly around the center point of the roof. The roof covers a rectagular room, so as it reaches the apex, the angles of the rafters aren't quite identical. But they are symmetrical. The lattice covering of the roof looks awkward the way it lines up against the rafters. It probably looks fine from the inside as long as you don't look up and stare directly at it. A symmetrical lattice would have been very difficult to pull off.

12-02-2004, 11:07 AM	#2
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	All I know is that I'm keeping my car. There was a legitimate reason that they used to hang horse thieves. Those of you who live in a major metropolis might be able to get around with public transit, but people who don't live in a city of sufficient size are unable survive without a car. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

12-02-2004, 10:06 PM	#5
Billy Professor Join Date: May 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 1,462	The hostess' figure looks like a big Shanghai star in 1920s. She is the master's third wife and the most beautiful. The villa was built after she died. The incense and the heating oven wait for hostess to come. I stood there and stared at the room to imagine. 1=Hostess Figure 2=Heating Oven Attached Images Last edited by Billy; 12-02-2004 at 10:11 PM.

12-02-2004, 08:40 AM	#7
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Sometimes, though, it's not automatically self defense if the guy's in your home. Pretty good evidence, but not automatic. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

12-02-2004, 01:30 PM	#8
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Texas is one of the few states that allows you to shoot to protect property. Most states require that you be in fear of loss of your life or grievous injury to shoot an intruder. Pennsylvania is that way. Belief that the intruder intended rape, incidently, would qualify as grounds to shoot. There are a couple of other little niceties to the law that are important to be aware of, including that you can't shoot an intruder when he/she is fleeing. Some states require that the homeowner make all attempts to retreat before firing. (Basically you have to let the guy who wants to kill you back you into a corner before you shoot so that it's justified.) The majority of "defensive uses of firearms" don't involve firing a shot. And I have the crazy Texan Outgunned. (not the mildly weird one, though. I've seen pictures.) (there is a .pdf document called "Gun Facts" that has a lot of information about firearms and their use in the US. Defensive uses is covered on page 31. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis Last edited by wolf; 12-02-2004 at 01:36 PM.

12-02-2004, 07:14 PM	#10
Billy Professor Join Date: May 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 1,462	Tibet Ago I could not understand why many people want to travel Tibet because the trip is very tired and a little dangerous. I know the reason when I see these good pix. 1=Lhasa River 2=Figure of Buddha Attached Images

12-02-2004, 10:54 AM	#1
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	Georgia tried to pass a law four years ago permitting you to shoot anyone who broke into your home, threatening or not, but it failed. Most states, including Florida, don't permit you to shoot someone just for breaking and entering -- your life must be in danger and the burgular must have a weapon and be threatening you with it. I think it really depends on the police investigating the incident, however. In Atlanta five or six years ago, it made the news that a man woke up to find someone trying to steal his car. The car owner pulled a rifle, shot the man from the safety of his home, and killed the would be thief. Police arrived on the scene, looked around, arrested no one. When the chief was confronted by the family of the car theif expecting that the owner of the car should be arrested for manslaughter, he responded, "Well, I guess he would have lived if he hadn't been stealing someone's car." Carjacking is a different matter because the "castle law" does not apply. If someone is trying to carjack you in Florida or most other states, your first response had better be to step on the gas and drive away or get out of the car and run like hell as you do not have the same rights as being in your home. You may only pull a gun if you intend to use it to kill the criminal and you may only do that if you absolutely no means of escape. Only in a house do you have the right to stand your ground and not flee. I highly recommend the book Florida Firearms by Jon H. Gutmacher if you have a CCW in Florida -- its an important read and I hope other states have similar books that discuss the law, sample cases, etc. Some of the sample cases are damn scary and show that you can easily have murder charges pressed against you, and be convicted, even if you were properly defending yourself.

12-02-2004, 08:21 AM	#6
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Really? I thought for sure any state where you could have a gun in your home (with a license, of course) you would be able to use it in self-defense.

12-02-2004, 06:47 PM	#9
Billy Professor Join Date: May 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 1,462	It sounds like that your gun protection method is much more dangerous than our window bars. The more protection methods you use, the more stealing tools the thief make, such as "911".

12-02-2004, 07:24 PM	#11
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	You're cheating Billy, we want to see pictures you take. In handling intruders in your home, they repercussions are generally your word against his/hers. Dead men tell no tales. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-02-2004, 10:39 PM	#13
zippyt LONG LIVE KING ZIPPY! per Feetz Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arkansas Posts: 7,661	Beautiful pics Billy !!!!!! Bars on windows - Bars on windows DO help keep robbers out , BUT , and this is a BIG BUT , if there is a fire you CAN'T jump out of the window !!!!!!!! Yes most mfgrs do supply a wrench to open the window incase of a fire , BUT who is thinking when they are woken up by smoke filling a room in the middle of the nite ????? Guns and home defence - In Arkansas you can defend your PROPERTY as in your WHOLE porperty , yard and all , just don't use to much force . I do feel sorry for any body that breaks in to our house with us here , they WILL get a sudden case of lead poisining !!!!! __________________ "Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get. " Brother Dave Gardner

12-03-2004, 11:26 AM	#14
garnet ... Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 657	Wonderful pictures, Billy! Thanks for posting them. I very much hope to visit China someday.

12-03-2004, 11:37 AM	#15
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I like the pavilion too. The geometry of the roof is interesting. The "rafters" aren't spaced evenly around the center point of the roof. The roof covers a rectagular room, so as it reaches the apex, the angles of the rafters aren't quite identical. But they are symmetrical. The lattice covering of the roof looks awkward the way it lines up against the rafters. It probably looks fine from the inside as long as you don't look up and stare directly at it. A symmetrical lattice would have been very difficult to pull off. Last edited by glatt; 12-03-2004 at 11:40 AM.

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