'Merry Christmas' or 'Happy Holiday' - Page 7

Trilby · 12-29-2005, 09:09 AM

Even before FERRIS BUELLER'S DAY OFF, I loved Ben Stein.

He's a smart cookie.

xoxoxoBruce · 12-29-2005, 03:14 PM

He was one of Richard Nixon's speech writers.

Happy Monkey · 12-29-2005, 03:42 PM

No wonder he went into comedy.

Urbane Guerrilla · 12-31-2005, 02:19 AM

Happy New Year, all of you.

Jordon · 01-07-2006, 09:45 AM

Here in Boulder the Christmas Parade was renamed December Lights Festival. I'm a Witch, but I deliberately went caroling in the Pearl Street mall and telling people Merry Christmas because this PC crap pisses me off.

Happy Yuletide

Urbane Guerrilla · 01-10-2006, 12:22 AM

I was talking about your descendants being your retirement plan, not "honor killings." That should go in another thread, I think.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-10-2006, 07:10 PM

We were talking about doing the wife's sister or brother's wife in this case.

Urbane Guerrilla · 01-11-2006, 12:01 AM

And it's hard to see the intent here to make descendants because...?

xoxoxoBruce · 01-11-2006, 04:43 PM

Because it's the 21st century not the first, which was my point. :p

Urbane Guerrilla · 01-16-2006, 08:48 PM

And I was talking about the first, which was my point. :p

xoxoxoBruce · 01-16-2006, 10:43 PM

That's your problem.... well one of them....you're 2000 years behind.
You rant about what a great idea it was for women to be handed off, to be knocked up for their own social security, in the 1st century.
When I pointed out it still goes on, you say it's not about honor killings. Obviously you didn't read past the headline and immediately jumped to the wrong conclusion.
It must be Urbane W. Guerrilla.

Urbane Guerrilla · 01-17-2006, 12:08 AM

Rant about what a great idea...? You have confused me with someone else, Bruce -- AFAIK, someone who has not even posted on this thread. My sole remark was that it was done this way, back then, and before. I read the honor-killing article linked, and made no remark on it, as you will doubtless see when you check. Have fun with your strawman, but I think you can leave me out of that.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-17-2006, 10:07 PM

Post #96, you claim it was “social security” rather than patriarchal, and needed 2k years ago
Post #98, I linked to a story proving it still exists.
Post #99, you wrongly pronounce my link doesn’t belong in this thread because it’s about a different subject.
Post #100, I point out it was about patriarchal.
Post #101, you claim it’s still ok because the intent is “social security”.
Post #102, patriarchal abuse in not ok in the 21st century.
Post #103, claim 1st century exemption.
Post #104, point out it’s still happening as shown in post#98.
Post #105, who me?
Post #106, yeah you!

Urbane Guerrilla · 01-18-2006, 12:10 AM

All of which documents in glorious detail that you persist in missing my point, and also miss that I merely observed this was how they tried to do it. I'd amplify that it seems they had little to nothing else, those being unsophisticated times economically, which from the talking they did about it in the Bible, suggests they weren't sure they were getting the job properly done in 100% of the circumstances. Sounds like everybody who had something to say about it could name a starveling widow or three.

It's the sort of thing that would have been come up with in a social order where your family and your blood relatives were the chiefest, if not the only, thing you kept allegiance with -- tribal bonds and links being a sort of extension of the family bond.

Note also that the story of Onan documents, insofar as this is documented at all, and aside from the superstitious coda of "...wherefore the Lord slew him also," the point at which the Hebrews abandoned this law in apparent hope of finding something better, that didn't rely so heavily on some other available relative being interested enough in, and happy enough with, the widow, to fix her up with descendants with the filial obligations to keep the ol' gal in comfort. Read it and see if this interpretation doesn't hold up.

I also draw a distinction between "social security" and individual "retirement plan," positing the latter and not the former, the one being governmental entitlements, the other private.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-18-2006, 03:59 AM

The fact remains they live in a patriarchal, abusive society now and have for thousands of years, as Elspode posited.

12-29-2005, 03:14 PM	#2
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12-31-2005, 02:19 AM	#4
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01-10-2006, 12:22 AM	#6
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	I was talking about your descendants being your retirement plan, not "honor killings." That should go in another thread, I think. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

01-10-2006, 07:10 PM	#7
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	We were talking about doing the wife's sister or brother's wife in this case. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-29-2005, 09:09 AM	#1
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01-07-2006, 09:45 AM	#5
Jordon Coronation Incarnate Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 93	Here in Boulder the Christmas Parade was renamed December Lights Festival. I'm a Witch, but I deliberately went caroling in the Pearl Street mall and telling people Merry Christmas because this PC crap pisses me off. Happy Yuletide

01-11-2006, 12:01 AM	#8
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	And it's hard to see the intent here to make descendants because...? __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

01-11-2006, 04:43 PM	#9
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Because it's the 21st century not the first, which was my point. :p __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-16-2006, 08:48 PM	#10
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	And I was talking about the first, which was my point. :p __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

01-16-2006, 10:43 PM	#11
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	That's your problem.... well one of them....you're 2000 years behind. You rant about what a great idea it was for women to be handed off, to be knocked up for their own social security, in the 1st century. When I pointed out it still goes on, you say it's not about honor killings. Obviously you didn't read past the headline and immediately jumped to the wrong conclusion. It must be Urbane W. Guerrilla. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-17-2006, 12:08 AM	#12
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Rant about what a great idea...? You have confused me with someone else, Bruce -- AFAIK, someone who has not even posted on this thread. My sole remark was that it was done this way, back then, and before. I read the honor-killing article linked, and made no remark on it, as you will doubtless see when you check. Have fun with your strawman, but I think you can leave me out of that. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

01-17-2006, 10:07 PM	#13
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Post #96, you claim it was “social security” rather than patriarchal, and needed 2k years ago Post #98, I linked to a story proving it still exists. Post #99, you wrongly pronounce my link doesn’t belong in this thread because it’s about a different subject. Post #100, I point out it was about patriarchal. Post #101, you claim it’s still ok because the intent is “social security”. Post #102, patriarchal abuse in not ok in the 21st century. Post #103, claim 1st century exemption. Post #104, point out it’s still happening as shown in post#98. Post #105, who me? Post #106, yeah you! __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-18-2006, 12:10 AM	#14
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	All of which documents in glorious detail that you persist in missing my point, and also miss that I merely observed this was how they tried to do it. I'd amplify that it seems they had little to nothing else, those being unsophisticated times economically, which from the talking they did about it in the Bible, suggests they weren't sure they were getting the job properly done in 100% of the circumstances. Sounds like everybody who had something to say about it could name a starveling widow or three. It's the sort of thing that would have been come up with in a social order where your family and your blood relatives were the chiefest, if not the only, thing you kept allegiance with -- tribal bonds and links being a sort of extension of the family bond. Note also that the story of Onan documents, insofar as this is documented at all, and aside from the superstitious coda of "...wherefore the Lord slew him also," the point at which the Hebrews abandoned this law in apparent hope of finding something better, that didn't rely so heavily on some other available relative being interested enough in, and happy enough with, the widow, to fix her up with descendants with the filial obligations to keep the ol' gal in comfort. Read it and see if this interpretation doesn't hold up. I also draw a distinction between "social security" and individual "retirement plan," positing the latter and not the former, the one being governmental entitlements, the other private. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course. Last edited by Urbane Guerrilla; 01-18-2006 at 12:20 AM.

01-18-2006, 03:59 AM	#15
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	The fact remains they live in a patriarchal, abusive society now and have for thousands of years, as Elspode posited. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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