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02-08-2006, 06:27 PM
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When the good people of Iraq and Iran do not take enough interest in their own government to thwart the efforts of those who would turn their countries into a terrorist state, the removal of the infectious cancer of terrorism, female degradation, oppression, slaughter of their own people, and utter hi-jacking and corruption of a peaceful religion must be forcefully done and will always cause some collateral damage. Whether the forceful cancer surgery is done by internal cou d'etat or external intervention, the removal of the penetrating tentacles of the oppressors is seldom easy or painless.
Perhaps we need to help the terrorists to accomplish their ultimate goal which is to quickly achieve martyrdom so they can have 72 virgins in the afterlife. Apparently their wives and daughters are not part of their eternal aspirations being deemed as less than human in this life and less than that in the next life. These terrorists achieve martyrdom when they sacrifice their lives by blowing themselves up such that innocents around them also die. Obviously these terrorists are the greatest obscenity in all the world because their corruption of Islam makes them alone the greatest threat to true Islam. We can help them achieve their eternal goals by contributing money and explosives to make the next step easy for them. Then we can help them gather themselves into one place and in one majestic stroke blow themselves up. Thus they will have truly conquered the world's greatest threat to Islam. Then the true protectors of Islam, those common people who really believe and practice its peaceful concepts can worship in peace being finally unshackled from the teachings of corrupt clerics and imams who teach the children to hate, devalue their lives, and murder. |
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02-08-2006, 07:26 PM
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Welcome to the Cellar, UG! :p
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02-08-2006, 08:50 PM
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Bruce, if you want sources I'll give you sources, however, we all know there's a source to prove or disprove every argument. Sometimes even in the same article. *See post #90 and #91. Jaguar and Beestie, is that the best you can do? Make ridiculous suggestions? I think it's been pointed out already that there are extremists in any religion and I don't condone these actions by anyone regardless of what God they worship. What I do object to is a gung-ho attitude displayed by so many people of the Christian faith who think it's a fore-gone conclusion that we're going to win this campaign we're currently on. Just because Christianity has been a signature of 'civilized society' for a couple of thousand years doesn't make it the only truth. While people in the west have condemned countries in the middle east for their holy wars for the last hundred years and far beyond, it seems to me that the 'coalition of the willing' has embarked on their own 'holy war' against a religion they find threatening to their own way of life. Of course, we're not in Iraq because of Islam are we? Aren't we there to bring democracy and find WMD? Hmmm...not sure now. Maybe it's to find Bin Laden...but apparently he's hanging out somewhere else now. Gosh...I really can't remember. Let's just see if I can read this book while it's upside down...
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02-09-2006, 12:17 AM
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02-09-2006, 01:13 AM
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You don't have to be religious to loathe hoodlums, thugs and arsonists. 
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02-09-2006, 08:51 AM
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yep it turned into a rant....apologies in advance
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the American people, as a whole, are fighting and condeming the thugs for their actions...including Jews, Buddists, Islamists, Hindis, Atheists, Agnostics, and even those woefully (IMO) misunderstood believers in the Church of the eternal Faming Goat & Boatswain ministries....we are NOT comdeming the extremists for being MUSLIM - we ARE condeming their actions.... Please keep in mind that it is not the MUSLIM religion that is being opposed... it's the terroristic mayhem a group of people who are Muslim uphold and then attribute their actions to the Will of GOD - Quote:
Attempted Iraqi Attacks on U.S. Posts, January 18-19, 1991: Iraqi agents planted bombs at the U.S. Ambassador to Indonesia’s home residence and at the USIS library in Manila. Attempted Assassination of President Bush by Iraqi Agents, April 14, 1993: The Iraqi intelligence service attempted to assassinate former U.S. President George Bush during a visit to Kuwait. In retaliation, the U.S. launched a cruise missile attack 2 months later on the Iraqi capital Baghdad. PUK Kidnapping, September 13, 1996: In Iraq, Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) militants kidnapped four French workers for Pharmaciens Sans Frontieres, a Canadian United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) official, and two Iraqis. Philippines Hostage Incident, May 27, 2001: Muslim Abu Sayyaf guerrillas seized 13 tourists and 3 staff members at a resort on Palawan Island and took their captives to Basilan Island. The captives included three U.S. citizens: Guellermo Sobero and missionaries Martin and Gracia Burnham. Philippine troops fought a series of battles with the guerrillas between June 1 and June 3 during which 9 hostages escaped and two were found dead. The guerrillas took additional hostages when they seized the hospital in the town of Lamitan. On June 12, Abu Sayyaf spokesman Abu Sabaya claimed that Sobero had been killed and beheaded; his body was found in October. The Burnhams remained in captivity until June 2002. Death of "the Lion of the Panjshir", September 9, 2001: Two suicide bombers fatally wounded Ahmed Shah Massoud, a leader of Afghanistan’s Northern Alliance, which had opposed both the Soviet occupation and the post-Soviet Taliban government. The bombers posed as journalists and were linked to al-Qaida. The Northern Alliance did not confirm Massoud’s death until September 15. Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Homeland, September 11, 2001: Two hijacked airliners crashed into the twin towers of the World Trade Center. Soon thereafter, the Pentagon was struck by a third hijacked plane. A fourth hijacked plane, suspected to be bound for a high-profile target in Washington, crashed into a field in southern Pennsylvania. The attacks killed 3,025 U.S. citizens and other nationals. President Bush and Cabinet officials indicated that Usama Bin Laden was the prime suspect and that they considered the United States in a state of war with international terrorism. In the aftermath of the attacks, the United States formed the Global Coalition Against Terrorism. Attack on a Church in Pakistan, October 28, 2001: Six masked gunmen shot up a church in Bahawalpur, Pakistan, killing 15 Pakistani Christians. No group claimed responsibility, although various militant Muslim groups were suspected. And the list goes on... http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/pubs/fs/5902.htm Of course I feel these extremists are threatening my way of life - they ARE. this rant brought to you by the following sponsors.... 
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02-09-2006, 08:46 AM
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<a href="http://www.mohammeddance.com">Latest salvo: fired.</a>
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Extreme Muslims? The only people changing your way of life are wholesome, god-fearing Christians. |
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02-09-2006, 02:58 PM
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Oh, yeah! Finally! Some talk with some local muslims at USF on the matter!
Their view was: Yes, all the cartoons were insulting, mostly because they depicted something you're not supposed to depict. But both also agreed that several were funny and to the point, and didn't take it particularly personally. Can you believe it? An Iraqi and an Iranian found some of them funny. One of the girls even pulled up the images on her laptop while in class. On looking at them, she didn't melt, scream, explode, or anything! Unbelievable! The professor of the Middle East Pol Sci class pretty much stated that the protests and riots are "largely the exploitation of an ignorant population". Considering that he is Tunisian, well... |
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02-09-2006, 03:31 PM
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Christian? Me? Jesus christ woman get a goddamn grip. This is about freedom of speech, as close as possible to absolute freedom of speech as possible. My freedom to draw cartoons of mohammed of fucking a goat or jesus dressed a pot smoking hippie. It's a freedom a lot of people died for and one that is damn close to my heart.
The idea that halfwit such as yourself kowtowing to islamo-facists, blithely giving up one of pillars of western civilisation makes me sick. Ask anyone here, I tend towards the left and the dovish side of politics but this ridiculous farce over a couple of cartoons and the sickening response of fools such as yourself is just too much.
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02-09-2006, 06:06 PM
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This could turn into a discussion on the rights and wrongs of the war in Iraq which has somehow become a cross between 'the war on terror' and 'bringing democracy to Iraq'. The problem is that the story has become so twisted and convoluted that it's hard to tell who's right and who's wrong. The problem is that no one seems to really know what anyone's truly fighting for anymore, and no one seems to know when it's going to end because people keep adding fuel to an already well lit fire. The supporters of this conflict claim that they're democratizing Iraq and fighting terrorism. So be it! If that's the truth then good on them. The problem is that obviously not everyone in the world would like to see peace, including some members of Islam, some Christians and some stray dogs who don't believe in any God etc etc etc. The problem is, protests like this happen because of a situation that many of these people are not to blame for. In fact, the majority of them are not to blame for any of it. They're just sick and tired of being persecuted because they believe in Allah and not God. They're sick and tired of being persecuted because some of their members are fruitloops. They're sick and tired of being persecuted because of the way they dress or how they look. They're sick and tired of being persecuted full stop. Even the gentlest creature will react with violence if you taunt it enough.
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02-10-2006, 02:23 AM
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If I insult Allah and he can't handle it, or me, then he is a pissant Deity not worthy of the title. If they were true believers they wouldn't be threatened by anyones opinion of Allah. They would be secure in their faith, and Allah, as I suspect most Muslims, including the ones in Kitsune's last post, are. The problem is those Muslims are very, very silent. These rioters are nothing but scumbag hooligans that debase the Muslim faith, and deserve to me stomped 
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But, if they want an apology - A Letter of Apology from Crimson Ghost, US Marine Corps, Retired I humbly offer my apology here: I am sorry that the last seven times we Americans took up arms and sacrificed the blood of our youth, it was in the defense of Muslims (Bosnia, Kosovo, Gulf War 1, Kuwait, etc.). I am sorry that no such call for an apology upon the extremists came after 9/11. I am sorry that all of the murderers on 9/11 were Islamic Arabs. I am sorry that most Arabs and Muslims have to live in squalor under savage dictatorships. I am sorry that their leaders squander their wealth. I am sorry that their governments breed hate for the US in their religious schools, mosques, and government-controlled media. I am sorry that Yasir Arafat was kicked out of every Arab country and high-jacked the Palestinian "cause". I am sorry that no other Arab country will take in or offer more than a token amount of financial help to those same Palestinians. I am sorry that the USA has to step in and be the biggest financial supporter of poverty stricken Arabs while the insanely wealthy Arabs blame the USA for all their problems. I am sorry that our own left wing, our media, and our own brainwashed masses do not understand any of this (from the misleading vocal elements of our society, like radical professors, CNN and the NY TIMES). I am sorry the United Nations scammed the poor people of Iraq out of the "food for oil" money so they could get rich while the common folk suffered. I am sorry that some Arab governments pay the families of homicide bombers upon their death. I am sorry that those same bombers are brainwashed thinking they will receive 72 virgins in "paradise." I am sorry that the homicide bombers think pregnant women, babies, children, the elderly and other non-combatant civilians are legitimate targets. I am sorry that our troops die to free more Arabs from the gang rape rooms and the filling of mass graves of dissidents of their own making. I am sorry that Muslim extremists have killed more Arabs than any other group. I am sorry that foreign trained terrorists are trying to seize control of Iraq and return it to a terrorist state. I am sorry we don't drop a few dozen Daisy cutters on Fallujah. I am sorry every time terrorists hide they find a convenient "Holy Site." I am sorry they didn't apologize for driving a jet into the World Trade Center that collapsed and severely damaged Saint Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church — one of our Holy Sites. I am sorry they didn't apologize for flight 93 and 175, the USS Cole, the embassy bombings, the murders and beheadings of Nick Berg and Daniel Pearl, etc...etc. America will get past this latest absurdity. We will punish those responsible because that is what we do. We hang out our dirty laundry for the entire world to see. We move on. That's one of the reasons we are hated so much. We don't hide this stuff like all those Arab countries that are now demanding an apology. Deep down inside, when most Americans saw this reported in the news, we were like — so what? We lost hundreds and made fun of a few prisoners. Sure, it was wrong! Sure, it dramatically hurts our cause, but until captured, we were trying to kill those same prisoners. Now we're supposed to wring our hands because a few were humiliated? Our compassion is tempered with the vivid memories of our own people killed, mutilated and burned among a joyous crowd of celebrating Fallujahans. If you want an apology from this American, go fuck yourself! You have a better chance of finding those seventy-two virgins! Crimson Ghost, US Marine Corps (Ret.) Semper Fi
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