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That settles it Griff...if I run for mayor of Philadelphia this coming year and win, I want you as my Chief of Staff. Yeah, you'll have to spend some time down here in SEPA, but I'll hook you up with a nice apartment over at the Phoenix (b/c you'll have to have an address in the city). Hell, for that matter, I'll find jobs for several members of the Cellar...even if I do that, I won't have nearly as many staff members as John Street currently does.
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11-22-2002, 11:51 PM | #122 | |
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11-22-2002, 11:57 PM | #123 | |
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This whole deficit situation smells like a rat. Unless his union goons start threatening large numbers of people, I don't see him being re-elected next year. More in another thread... |
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Just for the moment I'm going to agree with your self-defense argument. Since this is Self-defense: 1. How does that justify (carefully of course) killing thousands of people that didn't have anything to do with the act? And once they are dead, how does that make you and your people safer, especially when the killing doesn't even lead to the capture or destruction of the master mind or any of his important people? There are some 1.3 Billion Muslims in the world with some 300 million of those considered to be radical. How many of that 300 million will need to be killed to make you safe Maggie? After all any one of the 300 million might be hiding Osama bin Laden. 2. Are we really in danger of being rubbed out by Osama and friends? Or are there things that are more likely to kill us that perhaps we should spend our money and effort on? Let's see: examining some causes of death in the decade starting in 1991: Heart disease: 7.10million; Cancer: 5.53million; Stroke: 1.68million; Chronic Lower Respiratory Disease: 1.22milion; Adverse Reactions to Prescribed Drugs: 1.06million; Accidents: .98million; Diabetes: .69million; Pneumonia, Influenza: .65million; Alzheimer’s Disease; .45million; Nephritis, nephritic syndrome, nephrosis; .36 million; Septicemia: .31million; Suicide: .29million; Homicide: .17million; AIDS: .14million; Terrorist action .003million (or 3001, My reckoning of US citizen terrorist deaths are as follows: Trade towers: 2,726; Waco: 80; Murrah Building: 167; Washington Sniper 10; Bombing of the Kenyan embassy: 12; First bombing of the trade towers: 6; for a total of 3001.). Well I don't know Maggie, it looks like you and your people are 46 times more likely to die of AIDS then of Osama. Perhaps we should bomb Gay's and Intravenous Druggies. I'm sure the LA, SanFransico and New York, being full of good citizens, won't mind the collateral damage since they know that we are being careful. Seems like we spent $several billion killing a few thousand Afghanis and didn't get Osama. We spent $2.3 million in Africa on the AIDS thing. Are we really using our resources wisely? Apparently you and your people are 353 times more likely to get rubbed out by prescription drugs. If Osama has you worried you must be absolutely terrified when you open your medicine cabinet. I can see why you are upset. It's enough to give a person a heart attack. Speaking of hearts, you and your people are 2366 times more likely to killed by your own hearts then by Osama. Is that ironic or what? Maybe you should try a pre-emptive strike, Maggie, before your heart has the chance of doing you in. [edited for spelling by, be]
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11-23-2002, 11:29 PM | #126 |
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1. How might the world be safer because there was a strong, resolute response to 9/11? Considering that 9/11 was, in itself, made possible by the lame response to the previous terrorist attacks? Who knows what sort of petro-bucks would be flowing into bin Laden's group right now, if we'd just shrugged and said eh.
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The people I want stopped *aren't done yet*; by their own claim this is only the beginning. Your pseudoactuarial anaysis is also irrelevant to their ultimate goals. After all, when the Nazis first started out they hadn't actually exterminated many Jews yet either, mostly for lack of opportunity. After a few years of appeasement they managed to create some dandy opportunities, though. Nor are the Jihadists fairly compared to natural causes of death; there will always be natual causes of death; until we learn to be immortal the aggregate death rate will always be 100%. I happen to think that dying because you let religious fanatics take over is an especially stupid and ignominious way to go. If that's actually to your liking because (even though you've tried to veil this message a little) "Jihadists aren't so bad because they only want to put queers to death", you should perhaps consider migrating to someplace like Nigeria, where lately they've been demonstrating who else is on their list. You might learn something; not all the lessons about the Jihadists are contained in their fatwas.
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11-24-2002, 08:44 AM | #128 | |
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This weekend marks the end of the Catholic year with the Feast of Christ the King, its a time of reflection for us. The battle between good and evil takes place first and foremost in the human heart where the choice between love and hate is made daily not in some apocolyptic fantasy. I guess what I'm trying to get at is that we need to be careful not to empower our nuts who believe church and American state are one and while they have yet to cross the line their nuts have, the potential may be there.
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That aside, I'd rate their "taking over" as about as "possible" as the re-ascendance of the "Heaven's Gate" crowd. To judge their incidence among the populatrion, count the bumper-stickers you see on the freeway displaying the word "rapture" Quote:
The local "Idiotarians of the Left" have been stridently vocal in this thread; there don't seem to be any "Idiotarians of the Right" here.
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Whoops, I didn't make myself understood. What I was saying was that Orthodox or mainstream Christianity does not subscribe to this kind of thinking.
Manifesto? Oh that manifesto, maybe its time to read it.
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Just a touch of conjunctionitist.
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