Saddam to Swing

Aliantha · 11-06-2006, 07:08 PM

Any thoughts on this?

Radar · 11-06-2006, 07:37 PM

Here's a thought...

His death is irrelevant and in no way justifies the war in Iraq and it was highly unlikely that his trial was fair, or that it would even be possible for him to have a fair trial in Iraq.

Aliantha · 11-06-2006, 07:45 PM

Although I agree with everything you've said Radar, he's still obviously guilty of many evil crimes.

Novae · 11-06-2006, 08:10 PM

I think that among the people who have been sentenced to the death penalty, at least we know he deserves it.

Now, does that mean I think this is some great victory for the motherland? Not at all, this "war" is more aptly described as an invasion, and his death is irrelevant to the current conflict, as stated above.

Aliantha · 11-06-2006, 08:15 PM

I'm against the death penalty on principal, so this is a hard one for me to rationalise. Firstly because I don't think one human has a right to take anothers life. With regard to Sadam, I don't think him being murdered will in any way make up for what he's done. You can't kill the same person hundreds of times anyway can you? Could he be dangerous if left alive to rot in prison? Probably. Is it safer to remove him from the earth? probably.

He is an incredibly corrupt man. I don't think he could be fixed.

Ibby · 11-06-2006, 08:18 PM

I agree with Aliantha, the war is STILL unjustified and everything, but saddam does deserve to be punished.

glatt · 11-06-2006, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

I'm against the death penalty on principal, so this is a hard one for me to rationalise. Firstly because I don't think one human has a right to take anothers life. With regard to Sadam, I don't think him being murdered will in any way make up for what he's done. You can't kill the same person hundreds of times anyway can you? Could he be dangerous if left alive to rot in prison? Probably. Is it safer to remove him from the earth? probably.

He is an incredibly corrupt man. I don't think he could be fixed.

I agree with everything you've said except I think he's more dangerous dead than if he had been held in prison for the rest of his life. Now he's goning to be a martyr, and martyrs are more dangerous than prisoners.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-06-2006, 09:20 PM

I don't think he will be a martyr. Although he took care of the Sunnis, it was a tribal thing rather than religious. I don't think the religious leaders, of any persuasion, will want a secular martyr.

That said, Kim and some of the other dictators might use him as an example of US aggression.

lumberjim · 11-06-2006, 09:43 PM

Saddam to Swing?

how does he get his wife and the other couple into prison? they have multiplayer conjugal visits? You think he'd be happy with his wife after such a long separation. I suspect that Elspode is somehow mixed up in this.

Clodfobble · 11-06-2006, 10:23 PM

Meh. Around these parts, we put a guy to death last Wednesday, and we've got another one scheduled for the day after tomorrow.

Urbane Guerrilla · 11-06-2006, 11:01 PM

Some people here are taking strange, convoluted positions, apparently for the sake of seeing how well they can play philosophical Twister.

Whelming the dictator is good. Making a democracy where there was autarchy before is good, however many junior-grade tyrants and oppressor wannabes have to get shot in the process. People of that kind wouldn't work for a successful democratic republic in any case. I cannot believe any Libertarian can't accept this, which is why radar and I always fight. Dictators never fall before a radiation of righteous indignation. They do fall to the bullet -- or the drop.

Happy Monkey · 11-06-2006, 11:32 PM

Mission Accomplished...?

Novae · 11-06-2006, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Mission Accomplished...?

Ha. Very good point, people are taking this as some symbolic victory, I suppose.

11-07-2006, 03:28 AM

I am against the death penalty for many reasons... now one more. This will just martyr him.
In some ways, he is already one to "his people".

DucksNuts · 11-07-2006, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Meh. Around these parts, we put a guy to death last Wednesday, and we've got another one scheduled for the day after tomorrow.

Clodfobble, I wish I had never looked at that link, this kinda stuff really intrigues me and when I went one link further to the watch list....I'm seriously hooked and it will occupy my mind for days.

Now I will be researching at least two of those cases to follow them through and get up to date.

The death penalty has always sparked something in me, since early school days.

11-06-2006, 07:08 PM	#1
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Saddam to Swing Any thoughts on this? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-06-2006, 07:37 PM	#2
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	Here's a thought... His death is irrelevant and in no way justifies the war in Iraq and it was highly unlikely that his trial was fair, or that it would even be possible for him to have a fair trial in Iraq. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

11-06-2006, 07:45 PM	#3
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Although I agree with everything you've said Radar, he's still obviously guilty of many evil crimes. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-06-2006, 08:15 PM	#5
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I'm against the death penalty on principal, so this is a hard one for me to rationalise. Firstly because I don't think one human has a right to take anothers life. With regard to Sadam, I don't think him being murdered will in any way make up for what he's done. You can't kill the same person hundreds of times anyway can you? Could he be dangerous if left alive to rot in prison? Probably. Is it safer to remove him from the earth? probably. He is an incredibly corrupt man. I don't think he could be fixed. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-06-2006, 08:18 PM	#6
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	I agree with Aliantha, the war is STILL unjustified and everything, but saddam does deserve to be punished. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

11-06-2006, 08:10 PM	#4
Novae Art may imitate life, but life imitates T.V. Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Seattle, Washington. Coffeetown. Posts: 27	I think that among the people who have been sentenced to the death penalty, at least we know he deserves it. Now, does that mean I think this is some great victory for the motherland? Not at all, this "war" is more aptly described as an invasion, and his death is irrelevant to the current conflict, as stated above.

11-06-2006, 09:20 PM	#8
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I don't think he will be a martyr. Although he took care of the Sunnis, it was a tribal thing rather than religious. I don't think the religious leaders, of any persuasion, will want a secular martyr. That said, Kim and some of the other dictators might use him as an example of US aggression. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-06-2006, 09:43 PM	#9
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	Saddam to Swing? how does he get his wife and the other couple into prison? they have multiplayer conjugal visits? You think he'd be happy with his wife after such a long separation. I suspect that Elspode is somehow mixed up in this. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

11-06-2006, 10:23 PM	#10
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Meh. Around these parts, we put a guy to death last Wednesday, and we've got another one scheduled for the day after tomorrow. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

11-06-2006, 11:01 PM	#11
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Some people here are taking strange, convoluted positions, apparently for the sake of seeing how well they can play philosophical Twister. Whelming the dictator is good. Making a democracy where there was autarchy before is good, however many junior-grade tyrants and oppressor wannabes have to get shot in the process. People of that kind wouldn't work for a successful democratic republic in any case. I cannot believe any Libertarian can't accept this, which is why radar and I always fight. Dictators never fall before a radiation of righteous indignation. They do fall to the bullet -- or the drop. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course. Last edited by Urbane Guerrilla; 11-06-2006 at 11:57 PM.

11-06-2006, 11:32 PM	#12
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11-07-2006, 03:28 AM	#14
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	I am against the death penalty for many reasons... now one more. This will just martyr him. In some ways, he is already one to "his people".

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