If Bush lied...so did they!

[Ronald Cherrycoke]

Originally Posted by Hippikos

You forget Bush/Cheney started the war, nobody else you quoted. even after the weapon inspectors did find nothing and asked for 6 months to be absolutely sure.

That would make Junior an unreal liar? Clinton lied, but nobody died...

As for Bliar, he's just Bush's poodle, obsessed with the same disastrous neocon ideas.

You forget Bush/Cheney started the war, nobody else you quoted. even after the weapon inspectors did find nothing and asked for 6 months to be absolutely sure.

Say What!...Looks like they all voted for war......


Measure Title: A joint resolution to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq.



That would make Junior an unreal liar? Clinton lied, but nobody died...

If he would lie about sex...what wouldn`t he lie about?



As for Bliar, he's just Bush's poodle, obsessed with the same disastrous neocon ideas

That`s a great excuse...I thought he was a English liberal? Which makes him a socialist. I suppose MI6 is also populated by Karl Rove robot neo-cons?...get a grip son!

[Hippikos]

Bush's Middle East holocaust

Some would call this Creative Destruction...

[WabUfvot5]

No president will have a clean record in this age of partisan war. The key for me is Bush and crew put all that Iraq intel under the 9/11 umbrella and linked Iraq to it. Intentionally misleading at best and downright treasonous at worst.

[Ronald Cherrycoke]

Originally Posted by Jebediah

No president will have a clean record in this age of partisan war. The key for me is Bush and crew put all that Iraq intel under the 9/11 umbrella and linked Iraq to it. Intentionally misleading at best and downright treasonous at worst.

The Bush Administration claimed Iraq was responsible for 9/11. It's always difficult to prove a negative, but that simply never happened.

Many people may believe this was the case because in "Fahrenheit 9/11," Michael Moore truncated a comment by Condi Rice in order to deliberately give viewers of his movie that false impression. Here's the quote as it appeared in the film:




"There is a tie between Iraq and what happened on 9/11"




Now here's the full quote:



"Oh, indeed there is a tie between Iraq and what happened on 9/11. It�s not that Saddam Hussein was somehow himself and his regime involved in 9/11, but, if you think about what caused 9/11, it is the rise of ideologies of hatred that lead people to drive airplanes into buildings in New York."

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by Ronald Cherrycoke

"Oh, indeed there is a tie between Iraq and what happened on 9/11. It�s not that Saddam Hussein was somehow himself and his regime involved in 9/11, but, if you think about what caused 9/11, it is the rise of ideologies of hatred that lead people to drive airplanes into buildings in New York."

Wow, that's some spin. a) Moore shouldn't have taken it out of context. For one thing, it's such a damningly stupid statement in it's entirety by in effect stating that we are safest by bombing and invading any country that hates us.

b) Condi's statement isn't the most important one on the issue. Bush was the one pushing the the Iraq - 9/11 connection and later Cheney, who beat the dead horse long after such a link was discredited.

Of course Condi's 'first strike on hatred' theory would justify any number of actions, even those by our enemies who feel that we hate them. Was she Secretary of State when she said this? It's bad enough from a Natl Security Advisor. From a Secretary of State it's ludicrous.

[Ronald Cherrycoke]

Originally Posted by richlevy

Wow, that's some spin. a) Moore shouldn't have taken it out of context. For one thing, it's such a damningly stupid statement in it's entirety by in effect stating that we are safest by bombing and invading any country that hates us.

b) Condi's statement isn't the most important one on the issue. Bush was the one pushing the the Iraq - 9/11 connection and later Cheney, who beat the dead horse long after such a link was discredited.

8 September, 2003, 02:03 GMT 03:03 UK

Bush rejects Saddam 9/11 link



Bush delivers his State of the Union address in January 2003
Bush maintains Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda are connected

US President George Bush has said there is no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in the 11 September attacks.

The comments - among his most explicit so far on the issue - come after a recent opinion poll found that nearly 70% of Americans believed the Iraqi leader was personally involved in the attacks.

Mr Bush did however repeat his belief that the former Iraqi president had ties to al-Qaeda - the group widely regarded as responsible for the attacks on New York and Washington.





"We have no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the 11 September attacks," Mr Bush told reporters as he met members of Congress on energy legislation.


As recently as last Sunday, Vice-President Dick Cheney, refused to rule out a link between Iraq and 11 September, saying "'we don't know".

"We will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who've had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11."

Jordanian link

On Wednesday, Mr Bush said Mr Cheney was right about suspicions of a link between Iraq and al-Qaeda, citing the case of Jordanian Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a leader of an Islamic group in northern Iraq called Ansar al-Islam believed to have links to al-Qaeda.

The US believes Mr Zarqawi received medical treatment in Baghdad and helped to orchestrate the assassination of a US diplomat in Jordan.

And Mr Bush denied there had been any attempt by his administration to try to confuse people about links between Saddam Hussein and 11 September.

"What the vice-president said was is that he [Saddam] has been involved with al-Qaeda.

"And Zarqawi, an al-Qaeda operative, was in Baghdad. He's the guy that ordered the killing of a US diplomat... There's no question that Saddam Hussein had al-Qaeda ties."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3118262.stm

[Ronald Cherrycoke]

From another forum...



Lets see if I got this right. Al queda was in Iran, Afghanastan, Syria, Lebanon, Pakistan, Yugoslavia, India, Malaysia, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Ethiopia, Sudan but they were not in Iraq. That Saddam was quite a swell guy being able to keep those bad guys out.


Haaaaaa...haaaaaa...

[piercehawkeye45]

Actually the Holocaust started after Israel got power in 1948...

[WabUfvot5]

The spin is so intense here I'm dizzy.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

I can't name a single one of that alleged seventy percent of Americans who thought Iraq did it. I am not among that number.

I find it fascinating that so many of the leave-genocidal-dictators-alone-lest-someone-be-upset-about-disposing-of-them faction is willing to believe that some other Americans believe Iraq did it. How bovine, to be so led by a nose ring.

The people upset at the prospect of dictator removal are fascist-sympathizing rats and nothing better -- lacking utterly in any higher human feeling. Which is why I yell at the entire pack of stumblefucks, telling them how small their minds are, how minuscule their souls, how worthless their intellectual lives. Oh, and they're hung like mice.

[WabUfvot5]

Hail Stalin!

Nobody thinks Iraq did it. Osama and his cronies did it. We we made to believe Saddam had ties to Al-Qaeda or gave some help to them and their kind. See here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0021007-8.html I will take time to point out that's no commie link either.

[Ronald Cherrycoke]

Originally Posted by Jebediah

Hail Stalin!

Nobody thinks Iraq did it. Osama and his cronies did it. We we made to believe Saddam had ties to Al-Qaeda or gave some help to them and their kind. See here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0021007-8.html I will take time to point out that's no commie link either.

You talking about this quote....how does it link Saddam with 9/11?

Some citizens wonder, after 11 years of living with this problem, why do we need to confront it now? And there's a reason. We've experienced the horror of September the 11th. We have seen that those who hate America are willing to crash airplanes into buildings full of innocent people. Our enemies would be no less willing, in fact, they would be eager, to use biological or chemical, or a nuclear weapon.


Besides Lee Hamilton commision agreed that Saddam had some ties to terrorist Al-Qaeda included. Besides that everyone knows he sent money to dead suicide bombers families in the Middle East.

[DanaC]

The people upset at the prospect of dictator removal are fascist-sympathizing rats and nothing better -- lacking utterly in any higher human feeling.

Lacking in human feeling? How much human feeling is involved in bombing the capital city of a country? How many people died in a night of shock and awe?

[Ronald Cherrycoke]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Lacking in human feeling? How much human feeling is involved in bombing the capital city of a country? How many people died in a night of shock and awe?

Gee...I didn`t know that wars kill civilians.
...ever wonder how many civilians.
in occupied Europe died by our bombs liberating them from Hitler?

[tw]

Originally Posted by Ronald Cherrycoke

Besides Lee Hamilton commision agreed that Saddam had some ties to terrorist Al-Qaeda included. Besides that everyone knows he sent money to dead suicide bombers families in the Middle East.

Wacko extremists will post Limbaugh lies with impunity. Ronald Cherrycoke has so little respect for everyone as to ... well those with too much bluster and to little grasp will even claim military service complete with medals. Ronald, your credibility is that diminished. Below is another example of your lying.

The "Lee Hamilton commission" did not agree "that Saddam had some ties to terrorist Al-Qaeda". Ronald glorifies extremism again by inventing reality. Ronald - a soundbyte so that you can understand: "Ronald is lying again".

Only reference to bin Laden by the Iraq Study Group is

Ayman al-Zawahiri, deputy to Osama bin Laden, has declared Iraq a focus for al Qaeda

That is it. No other reference because bin Laden and Saddam had no such alliance - obviously. ISG makes no claim of a relationship between Saddam and Al Qaeda. Ronald invented it as only one from the dark side would do. Well Darth Cherrycoke, your claim is only found where anti-American extremist post hatred of both America and the American soldier. You are caught quoting an extremist lie. When will you first read from sources of reality? Why do you instead post wacko extremist propaganda? It is called lying. Others will tell you of my contempt for lies.

Ronald Cherrycoke would also have us believe that bin Laden's Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq and in a long list of other nations. That requires him to ignore (or confuse) what was known long before Iraq - the Muslim Brotherhood. That requires Ronald to believe what George Jr says. How active is bin Laden's Al Qaeda in Iraq? Again the Iraq Study Group:

“Al Qaeda is now a franchise in Iraq, like McDonald’s.”

Yes I too can call myself Al Qaeda if to recruit wacko of extremists. Would that make me a member of bin Laden's Al Qaeda? If I call myself Wendy, then I must serve hamburgers? If I wear diapers, then I want Ann Coulter to do me?

Ronald Cherrycoke has been caught and exposed lying about the ISG report. Clearly he need not read before posting. He has Rush Limbaugh and Fox News to tell him. Or did Fox News have enough credibility to not report that lie?

Why has Ronald Cherrycoke not yet posted reasons to invade Iran? Ronald is waiting for his extremist newsletter to tell him what to say. Am I kidding? No. Not about extremists who have so much contempt for the American soldier. Ronald Cherrycoke has been caught lying even about the Iraq Study Group report. Worse? He probably believes his own lies because he could not bother to read. George Jr also believed god told him to invade Iraq. No wonder Ronald loves this president.

This post is not about Ronald Cherrycoke. This post is a warning to others about lies probably in the pipeline - that would explain the sudden deployment (surge) of aircraft carrier task forces to the Iranian coastline.