Kids and the Internet

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by SadistSecret

I still don't see an end to this. Lemme know when Merc decides to grow up.

I thought it ended a post ago. Merc admited to a mistake just like I did.

[Aliantha]

I think kids do have rights, no matter what their age. The most important right they have is to privacy. They also have a right to be trusted unless they prove themselves untrustworthy. They have a right to be proud of themselves because they've developed cognitively enough to know right from wrong.

Everyone has rights.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

I think kids do have rights, no matter what their age. The most important right they have is to privacy. They also have a right to be trusted unless they prove themselves untrustworthy. They have a right to be proud of themselves because they've developed cognitively enough to know right from wrong.

Everyone has rights.

Maybe in your country or in your home. Kids have no right to privacy. Adults have a right to privacy. Kids have no rights other than what I mentioned earlier.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Maybe in your country or in your home. Kids have no right to privacy. Adults have a right to privacy. Kids have no rights other than what I mentioned earlier.

Have a look at a few rule books Merc. You'll find children do have rights in your country and mine.

I'm pretty sure most parents feel their children have rights.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

They also have a right to be trusted unless they prove themselves untrustworthy.

How are you going to know if any child/teen is trustworthy unless you have the ability to check up on them?

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

How are you going to know if any child/teen is trustworthy unless you have the ability to check up on them?

By having open, honest and meaningful communication with them, and believe me, I don't mean the bullshit piss in my pants kind of communication that some people might think is meaningful.

The thing is, I am my children's confidant. They come to me first with their problems and challenges. I know them.

That's how I'm going to know if they're trustworthy or not.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

By having open, honest and meaningful communication with them, and believe me, I don't mean the bullshit piss in my pants kind of communication that some people might think is meaningful.

The thing is, I am my children's confidant. They come to me first with their problems and challenges. I know them.

That's how I'm going to know if they're trustworthy or not.

I believe you and respect your right to parent as you see fit.

But let me ask one question. Not trying to pry here. How old is this kid that you are a conficant with? The age makes a huge difference. The communicative techniques and the childs desire to share with you, has in my experience and the experience of most people I know, decrease as they become teens and the peer group grows as a more important thing in their life.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I believe you and respect your right to parent as you see fit.

But let me ask one question. Not trying to pry here. How old is this kid that you are a conficant with? The age makes a huge difference. The communicative techniques and the childs desire to share with you, has in my experience and the experience of most people I know, decrease as they become teens and the peer group grows as a more important thing in their life.

My oldest son is 11 and my youngest is 10. I actually mentioned that earlier in this thread.

All that info is freely available in any pop psych book.

If my kids do grow closer to their peer group, it doesn't mean that my relationship with them will become less. It also doesn't mean I can trust them less.

In my view, it's how you communicate with kids that makes the difference.

[Sheldonrs]

Okee dokee. I'll just slip in my 2 cents here and now.


When a child is born, he/she is dependent upon the parent for it's care and feeding and upbringing.
BUT---ALL children are born through no choice of their own. They didn't ask to be born. It was through an act of (usually) 2 other people. I believe this entitles them to certain freedoms and the presumption of guiltlessness unless proven otherwise just as a matter of courtesy for being forced into this world..
It is the parents OBLIGATION to keep them safe since THEY were the ones who forced this life on the child.
But it is my opinion that the parents do not have the right to control everything the child does.

And as a side note, calling ANYONE a "fag" is wrong and juvenile. Telling an known underaged person to "Wipe the cum off their face" is child sexual abuse. Use your head for something besides holding your hat up.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Sheldonrs

Okee dokee. I'll just slip in my 2 cents here and now.


When a child is born, he/she is dependent upon the parent for it's care and feeding and upbringing.
BUT---ALL children are born through no choice of their own. They didn't ask to be born. It was through an act of (usually) 2 other people. I believe this entitles them to certain freedoms and the presumption of guiltlessness unless proven otherwise just as a matter of courtesy for being forced into this world..
It is the parents OBLIGATION to keep them safe since THEY were the ones who forced this life on the child.
But it is my opinion that the parents do not have the right to control everything the child does.

And as a side note, calling ANYONE a "fag" is wrong and juvenile. Telling an known underaged person to "Wipe the cum off their face" is child sexual abuse. Use your head for something besides holding your hat up.

Yea, yea, I all ready mentioned that some statements were mentioned in error... Shit happens. "|

[SadistSecret]

Why doesn't a kid have a right to privacy? I might have missed it, but I don't ever recall the argument of why.

[TheMercenary]

I would say that it is a personal choice on how parents exercise a teens right to privacy and the parents choose what boundries to set, not the teen, on just how much privacy they may or may not set. There are so many factors which affect just how much privacy is or should be afforded to any minor child for which you are directly responsible for. Teens face many issues, drugs, drinking, speeding, suicide, drinking and driving, sexual behavior, pregnancy... all of these things place teens at risk. If a parent can intervene and help the child/teen make the right choices they may be able to avert a family/community disaster which could forever change peoples lives. In todays world of cell phones, text messaging, internet connections, etc, parent have lost an ability to help keep their kids safe. I still contend that a "kid" (minor) has no right to privacy, but that in fact it is a privilege afforded to the minor, as seen fit to the appropriate behavior of the child. Good behavior, greater privilege to privacy, bad behavior, then that privilege is appropriately modified as required. A fairly simple but difficult parenting responsibility.

Here are a few things to think about, as you will see the issue is complicated:

http://www.drheller.com/privacy.html

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...teenagers.html

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/colb/20060208.html

http://uchicagolaw.typepad.com/facul...rnia_cour.html

[Ibby]

There're legal rights...

and then there're rights as a person.


Denying someone their rights as a person on any account, be it age, sex, race, orientation... is wrong.
That, merc, is why you're an asshole. Because you believe in authoritarianism and you believe in stripping people of their rights.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Ibram

There're legal rights...

and then there're rights as a person.


Denying someone their rights as a person on any account, be it age, sex, race, orientation... is wrong.
That, merc, is why you're an asshole. Because you believe in authoritarianism and you believe in stripping people of their rights.

You can't strip someone of something they don't have. You are still a kid/minor/teen and that is why it is something you can't grasp.

[Ibby]

Once again we come to the difference between legal rights and rights as a person.

I believe it is the right of ever person to freedom, privacy, etc., and fuck the law if it doesnt agree.

You don't. You believe in authoritarianism and control.