Guam and Puerto Rico

duck_duck · 04-28-2007, 09:10 PM

These are american territories but not states. I know they do not have senators in washington but do they have congress members? Can they vote in presidential elections? And why are they both not full states?

Beestie · 04-28-2007, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by duck_duck

And why are they both not full states?

They are behind Canada in line.

Clodfobble · 04-28-2007, 10:02 PM

Because then we'd have to spend money on social services for them, which we don't want to do, and they'd have to pay taxes, which they don't want to do.

We only need to control them because they are strategic islands off our coasts, same reason China will never ever let Taiwan go.

Edit: Oh, and to answer your question, they each have a single "Resident Commissioner" who gets to hang out in the House of Representatives in Congress but does not get to vote. Basically an ambassador.

duck_duck · 04-28-2007, 10:18 PM

They really don't pay taxes or receive social services? I thought they did.

Clodfobble · 04-28-2007, 10:27 PM

As far as I can tell, they don't pay taxes to the US, only to their own government. You're right, they do receive monetary aid from the US to the tune of $4.2 billion annually, much of it earmarked for public welfare costs, but their programs are mostly internal, such as "Nutrition Assistance for Puerto Rico" instead of food stamps--they are not part of the same system we are.

Happy Monkey · 04-28-2007, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

We only need to control them because they are strategic islands off our coasts, same reason China will never ever let Taiwan go.

Well, Guam is nowhere near our coast. We picked it up from Spain as a trans-Pacific rest stop during the Spanish American war.

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Edit: Oh, and to answer your question, they each have a single "Resident Commissioner" who gets to hang out in the House of Representatives in Congress but does not get to vote. Basically an ambassador.

As does DC. Though we get to vote for the President and pay Federal taxes.

Clodfobble · 04-28-2007, 10:49 PM

Well okay, not technically near the coast, but neither is Hawaii really. It's close enough that we care about it. A lot of the other islands in the area (Northern Mariana, Micronesia, Marshall Islands, American Samoa) are also commonwealths or at least very closely associated with our government.

TheMercenary · 05-01-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by duck_duck

Can they vote in presidential elections? And why are they both not full states?

The bottom line, regardless of some of the other esoteric reasons, is their populations don't want to be states.

Urbane Guerrilla · 05-11-2007, 01:54 AM

Not enough, at any rate, to pass a referendum to petition for statehood.

04-28-2007, 09:10 PM	#1
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duck_duck Soul Duck Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: over here Posts: 485	They really don't pay taxes or receive social services? I thought they did. __________________ Girls are like phones. We love to be held, talked too but if you press the wrong button you'll be disconnected!

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Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Because then we'd have to spend money on social services for them, which we don't want to do, and they'd have to pay taxes, which they don't want to do. We only need to control them because they are strategic islands off our coasts, same reason China will never ever let Taiwan go. Edit: Oh, and to answer your question, they each have a single "Resident Commissioner" who gets to hang out in the House of Representatives in Congress but does not get to vote. Basically an ambassador.

04-28-2007, 10:27 PM	#5
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	As far as I can tell, they don't pay taxes to the US, only to their own government. You're right, they do receive monetary aid from the US to the tune of $4.2 billion annually, much of it earmarked for public welfare costs, but their programs are mostly internal, such as "Nutrition Assistance for Puerto Rico" instead of food stamps--they are not part of the same system we are.

04-28-2007, 10:49 PM	#7
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Well okay, not technically near the coast, but neither is Hawaii really. It's close enough that we care about it. A lot of the other islands in the area (Northern Mariana, Micronesia, Marshall Islands, American Samoa) are also commonwealths or at least very closely associated with our government.

05-11-2007, 01:54 AM	#9
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Not enough, at any rate, to pass a referendum to petition for statehood.

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