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Old 12-29-2007, 10:18 AM   #1
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Trust me Buster, as a lifelong Californian, not all of us feels the way Radar does
I can easily believe that.
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Old 12-29-2007, 11:22 AM   #2
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that's freakin' great!!
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Old 12-29-2007, 11:26 AM   #3
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lol !@ kitsune
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Old 12-29-2007, 12:37 PM   #4
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Well alrighty then.

Have immigration laws been Constitutionally tested in the courts? What was the result?

edit: Under the Constitution, what rights do non-citizens have?
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Old 12-29-2007, 10:42 PM   #5
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Well alrighty then.

Have immigration laws been Constitutionally tested in the courts? What was the result?

edit: Under the Constitution, what rights do non-citizens have?
Under the Constitution non-citizens have the same rights as any other human being. Our rights don't come from the Constitution. The only thing they can't do is vote. They have a right to trial by jury, to travel anonymously, to be secure in their personal effects (privacy), etc.

As far as the courts testing the Constitutionality, that is irrelevant. The courts routinely rule in violation of the Constitution including the Supreme Court.
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Old 12-29-2007, 12:44 PM   #6
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Aha - right after posting that, I found it:

Article I Section 8: The Congress shall have power ... To establish a uniform rule of naturalization

What of that, expert?

edit: here's a page that explains how immigration law has worked through history and it's utterly clear that Congress' efforts to manage immigration were exactly as intended from the beginning.
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Old 12-29-2007, 10:44 PM   #7
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Aha - right after posting that, I found it:

Article I Section 8: The Congress shall have power ... To establish a uniform rule of naturalization

What of that, expert?

edit: here's a page that explains how immigration law has worked through history and it's utterly clear that Congress' efforts to manage immigration were exactly as intended from the beginning.
Naturalization is the process by which an immigrant may become a citizen. It has absolutely nothing to do with how someone becomes an immigrant in the first place. Having power to make rules over naturalization does not grant any power whatsoever over immigration.

Congress is PROHIBITED from making legislating anything not specifically enumerated in the Constitution and PROHIBITED from having any "implied" powers.
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Old 12-29-2007, 01:12 PM   #8
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What? Ya think he's going to click a link that might show him as full of shit?
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Old 12-29-2007, 01:53 PM   #9
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I have no problem with people coming here to improve their lives, just stop and sign the f@#$%ing guest book along the way!!!
P.S. I'm an exiled Californian myself.
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Old 12-29-2007, 04:12 PM   #10
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I have no problem with people coming here to improve their lives, just stop and sign the f@#$%ing guest book along the way!!!
Exactly, ok lemme see here, you're a rapist/murderer molester.... no thanks!
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Old 12-29-2007, 05:19 PM   #11
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Or have a communicable disease, shunt to the Doctors for an evaluation and treatment, if there is one.
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Old 12-29-2007, 08:42 PM   #12
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not at all Kitsune, that was just the first obvious difference that popped into my head, and as a matter of fact grew up in San Diego, which now sucks
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Old 12-29-2007, 10:45 PM   #13
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not at all Kitsune, that was just the first obvious difference that popped into my head, and as a matter of fact grew up in San Diego, which now sucks
I went to basic training in San Diego. It was beautiful then, and it still is.
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Old 12-30-2007, 08:07 AM   #14
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Radar, I agree completely with the spirit of what you're saying. Unfortunately, the Constitution is no longer in effect. It has become something to give a nod to like the Magna Carta. We live in UG's magical democracy now, anything goes.
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Old 12-30-2007, 09:53 PM   #15
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I went to basic training in San Diego. It was beautiful then, and it still is.
Okay Radar you win basic training certainly trumps 30 years of living, school then working in a city
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