Clinton campaign demonstrates repeated incompetence - Page 4

Jacquelita · 02-22-2008, 02:19 PM

Better the devil you know than the devil you don't

Urbane Guerrilla · 02-23-2008, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jacquelita

Better the devil you know than the devil you don't

Heh, now there's a reason to vote Dem!

Griff · 02-23-2008, 08:01 AM

If the discussion continues to be misogynists versus racists the Dems have a good chance of alienating the electorate and screwing up what should have been an easy win.

The Hillary dynamic is interesting. NPR interviewed a bunch of boomer women at a rally. I forget what was said that implied she wasn't getting a fair shake because she's a women, but the other thing they leaned on was how because she's a women she understands and represents them. Pete says she doesn't speak to her as a post boomer. The things the older boomer women fought for have been largely won but older boomers are reluctant to heal the wounds, which is necessary to consolidate the victory. If they keep opening the wounds they feed the conservative backlash. To me Sen. Clinton represents conflict.

Obama may speak to me because he's about my age and has seen the cartoon conflicts over serious principles from a tail boomer perspective. He is left of me on much domestic policy, but he's generally been on the money foreign policy wise. He acts like someone who understands the opposition and would make sensible compromises. I don't buy the inexperience line because I think experienced politicians are one of the biggest problems for our system.

Trilby · 02-22-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

but see the problem is that we can only assume that obama is a motherfucker because he is a politician, whereas we know hillary is a bitch because we've been watching her for 16 years.

Right. AND we know that McCain is a motherfucker, B. Clinton, Reagan, Bush and Bush, jr. are, too (yet all were elected despite this) and every single man involved in politics for more than two days is one. Barak is a politician, he's a man=he's a motherf*cker. You don't have to know someone for 16 years to "know" what they are.

glatt · 02-22-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

AND we know that McCain is a motherfucker

Around the same time I was buying that Hillary pin in the early 90's I really hated McCain. I can't remember why anymore. It had something to do with some crap he was pulling with National Airport. Not renaming it after Reagan, but something else. After a while, I kind of liked the maverick persona he was wearing, but I'm back to not liking him again.

When I took the political test, I was closer to Obama than anyone else who is running.

Shawnee123 · 02-22-2008, 02:24 PM

And why is Hillary a bitch? Damn bitch standing up for herself, disagreeing with things, speaking her mind. Freaking beach!

lookout123 · 02-22-2008, 02:30 PM

i think, in all honesty, what makes hillary a bitch is that she doesn't have a penis. if she had a penis she probably wouldn't be called a bitch at all. she would then qualify as a motherfucker.

but seriously, i want hillary to get the nomination. i think obama has a far greater chance of being elected than she does. and any candidate who supports nationalized healthcare would have to be running against satan himself before they'd get my vote.

Trilby · 02-22-2008, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

...any candidate who supports nationalized healthcare would have to be running against satan himself before they'd get my vote.

Have you heard how much JUST the chemo is costing me? The drugs (poison) they are pumping into me costs 9,600.00 American PER DOSE and I will complete the eighth dose March 5. Doesn't include the oncologist's bill, the hospital's bill, the surgeon's bill, the surgery bill, all the other p.o. Rx's I take (Plenty of 'em) etc. This will end up costing me well over 200,000 bux in the end. My insurance co. is paying LESS THAN HALF.

lookout123 · 02-22-2008, 02:41 PM

i understand that and i am personally sorry that you are going through this. that doesn't change the fact that i don't support a national healthcare system paid for with taxdollars. no more now than i did when i was nearly driven bankrupt because our insurance wouldn't cover my wife's pregnancy and i had to find a way to cover $70,000 in medical expenses. or the day that the hospital office decided that my wife's life wasn't in danger (only my unborn son's) so they wouldn't send her into surgery unless i could come up with cash. fortunately there was a doctor who liked my truck and bought it from me in the parking lot. if i was going to change my opinion, that would have probably been the time to do so.

you may think this makes me an asshole, but i think changing my political/financial beliefs based on what would personally benefit me or my friends would make me a hypocrite.

Undertoad · 02-22-2008, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

My insurance co. is paying LESS THAN HALF.

Shit! Who's paying the rest?

Trilby · 02-22-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Shit! Who's paying the rest?

Moi.

Trilby · 02-22-2008, 02:27 PM

P.S. Hillary is winning in Ohio. Ohio picks 'em and has ever since 1960. You don't win Ohio, you don't win.

yes, I know that today, for whatever reason, I am crazed. Your bad luck!

glatt · 02-22-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

yes, I know that today, for whatever reason, I am crazed. Your bad luck!

This is more than you've posted in the last 6 months. It's great!

Shawnee123 · 02-22-2008, 02:32 PM

Oooh, if satan were running, now there'd be a race.

Trilby · 02-22-2008, 02:54 PM

wow, lookout. I am truly sorry that those horrible things happened to you. But can't you see how WRONG those things are? Just from a HUMANE point of view? I'm sure you haven't seen SICKO...I know a lot of you here are Michael Moore haters. He asks this guy in Canada why should his fellow Canadians pay for his bad luck for having had a heart attack? He answered, "because I would pay for theirs." Wow. Humane, no?

02-23-2008, 08:01 AM	#3
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	If the discussion continues to be misogynists versus racists the Dems have a good chance of alienating the electorate and screwing up what should have been an easy win. The Hillary dynamic is interesting. NPR interviewed a bunch of boomer women at a rally. I forget what was said that implied she wasn't getting a fair shake because she's a women, but the other thing they leaned on was how because she's a women she understands and represents them. Pete says she doesn't speak to her as a post boomer. The things the older boomer women fought for have been largely won but older boomers are reluctant to heal the wounds, which is necessary to consolidate the victory. If they keep opening the wounds they feed the conservative backlash. To me Sen. Clinton represents conflict. Obama may speak to me because he's about my age and has seen the cartoon conflicts over serious principles from a tail boomer perspective. He is left of me on much domestic policy, but he's generally been on the money foreign policy wise. He acts like someone who understands the opposition and would make sensible compromises. I don't buy the inexperience line because I think experienced politicians are one of the biggest problems for our system. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

02-22-2008, 02:30 PM	#7
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	i think, in all honesty, what makes hillary a bitch is that she doesn't have a penis. if she had a penis she probably wouldn't be called a bitch at all. she would then qualify as a motherfucker. but seriously, i want hillary to get the nomination. i think obama has a far greater chance of being elected than she does. and any candidate who supports nationalized healthcare would have to be running against satan himself before they'd get my vote. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

02-22-2008, 02:41 PM	#9
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	i understand that and i am personally sorry that you are going through this. that doesn't change the fact that i don't support a national healthcare system paid for with taxdollars. no more now than i did when i was nearly driven bankrupt because our insurance wouldn't cover my wife's pregnancy and i had to find a way to cover $70,000 in medical expenses. or the day that the hospital office decided that my wife's life wasn't in danger (only my unborn son's) so they wouldn't send her into surgery unless i could come up with cash. fortunately there was a doctor who liked my truck and bought it from me in the parking lot. if i was going to change my opinion, that would have probably been the time to do so. you may think this makes me an asshole, but i think changing my political/financial beliefs based on what would personally benefit me or my friends would make me a hypocrite. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

02-22-2008, 02:19 PM	#1
Jacquelita Don't pop a vein Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: in my own mind Posts: 289	Better the devil you know than the devil you don't

02-22-2008, 02:24 PM	#6
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	And why is Hillary a bitch? Damn bitch standing up for herself, disagreeing with things, speaking her mind. Freaking beach!

02-22-2008, 02:27 PM	#12
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	P.S. Hillary is winning in Ohio. Ohio picks 'em and has ever since 1960. You don't win Ohio, you don't win. yes, I know that today, for whatever reason, I am crazed. Your bad luck!

02-22-2008, 02:32 PM	#14
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Oooh, if satan were running, now there'd be a race.

02-22-2008, 02:54 PM	#15
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	wow, lookout. I am truly sorry that those horrible things happened to you. But can't you see how WRONG those things are? Just from a HUMANE point of view? I'm sure you haven't seen SICKO...I know a lot of you here are Michael Moore haters. He asks this guy in Canada why should his fellow Canadians pay for his bad luck for having had a heart attack? He answered, "because I would pay for theirs." Wow. Humane, no?

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