Clinton campaign demonstrates repeated incompetence - Page 5

lookout123 · 02-22-2008, 04:02 PM

see here is the thing for me though C, it sounds well and good - how would "free" medical care be anything but good? but then you realize it is a government run program. how well does our government run anything? how efficiently do they operate? how objective and logical in deciding who and what is covered and for how much? what quality of doctor will you have working inside of such a system?

i don't trust the government to do anything but eff things up. i'd rather stick with what we have - a private healthcare system with a support net for those that don't have private insurance.

Trilby · 02-22-2008, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

how well does our government run anything? how efficiently do they operate? how objective and logical in deciding who and what is covered and for how much? what quality of doctor will you have working inside of such a system?

They run the police, fire, first responder/EMT's, the libraries, the post office, the MRDD programs, mental health hospitals (no paradise, I worked in one, but better than a lot of private places I've worked in, too). Profit-driven health care is blasphemous. You'd rather people with a financial stake in it make the decisions? Ok, so, you've answered your own question: those people put your unborn son at risk and your wife at risk in a really horrid, hateful way: pay up or they die! This is better? The docs in the UK, France, Canada, Sweden,etc. all say they "wouldn't work for" a system like ours. Profits before people...people who will die? If that's what you like...

lookout123 · 02-22-2008, 04:23 PM

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Profit-driven health care is blasphemous.

I disagree. I don't have a problem with health care providers being motivated by $$. Emergency services are available for all regardless of ability to pay, and I'm cool with that. I see no long term success in turning over our entire medical system to the government though.

TheMercenary · 02-22-2008, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

I disagree. I don't have a problem with health care providers being motivated by $$. Emergency services are available for all regardless of ability to pay, and I'm cool with that. I see no long term success in turning over our entire medical system to the government though.

If we did it would fail. The American public wants 1) a quick fix 2) everything for free 3) cover all illness and treatments 4) don't want to wait for care. None of those things would happen in an attempt to cover 100% of American health care.

Trilby · 02-22-2008, 04:20 PM

Hillary's plan failed because of paranoid MEN who were freakin' on a woman who had GOOD IDEAS and didn't immediately get down on her knees to suck cock. That's what those good ol' boys are used to women doing. You don't talk with that mouth, baby, you SUCK ME with it!

It's truly sickening. Where is Dana when I need that beeyotch?

elSicomoro · 02-22-2008, 07:37 PM

At this point, I don't have a real problem with any of the 3 real candidates left being president, though I prefer Obama.

I think Hillary would make a fine president. But if she were elected, it would be like having Dubya in there, only with an edge to the left instead of the right. Some people just hate her, similar to the current president.

McCain...I dunno. Again, I think he would make a fine president. But he's old, he has a temper, the Dems wouldn't really want him and neither would the GOP.

I try to look at candidates based on what they're presenting to me and what I think they might do (given who they are and what party they stand for). I'll be the first to admit that I don't know a whole lot about Obama's detailed stances. I looked at some of them last week and generally agreed with them...and that works for me. I think I know where McCain stands as well as Hillary. Some folks are already complaining about "the cult of Obama," but the guy is doing something right...I haven't seen this kind of energy for a candidate since...Bill Clinton. (Maybe a little for Howard Dean, but he shot himself in the foot early).

I'm not naive. If Obama is elected, he'll get muddled down at least some by the culture of Washington. But I'm willing to give him a chance to try something different.

Aliantha · 02-22-2008, 07:41 PM

I predict that if Obama does win and eventually become president, he'll be assasinated.

TheMercenary · 02-22-2008, 08:01 PM

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I predict that if Obama does win and eventually become president, he'll be assasinated.

So what you are saying is pay attention to whom he chooses to be VP.

elSicomoro · 02-22-2008, 07:45 PM

Rhoda used to fear electing a black president because of that very concern.

Aliantha · 02-22-2008, 07:50 PM

Someone mentioned to me a few days ago that the KKK is the fastest growing 'club' in the world.

I haven't researched it, but it wouldn't surprise me.

As a black person in power, that would have to be frightening if it's true though.

Aliantha · 02-22-2008, 08:03 PM

Well, no I wasn't saying that, but it'd probably be an idea.

deadbeater · 02-22-2008, 08:39 PM

If VP is Clinton, there will be those who will say she was in on it.

So, Aliantha, will you assassinate him?

Aliantha · 02-22-2008, 08:42 PM

No, I think he'll make a great president for you guys. I'd definitely vote for him over Hillary if I had the choice.

I suspect it'll be someone who doesn't like him.

elSicomoro · 02-22-2008, 10:11 PM

The FBI is visiting UT's house as I type this.

xiphos · 02-23-2008, 10:15 AM

OK, all the black people are saying that "Oh, they just don't like Obama because he's black" and all that. But haven't people noticed that black people vote for Obama on an 8-1 ratio? Reverse rasicm? I think blacks are more racist than whites. I bet if you went to a random black person's house and you asked them what Obama wants to do, they would either not know or just say "Change." Well, what kind of change does our country need? Is there people dying on the streets? No, so I guess we don't need that much change. Most of the "Change" we need is the individual person's fault. And about the war, SUPPORT IT. People come up to me ALL THE TIME and say "well you don't know anybody in the war" Obviously they don't know me. 3 of my cousins are in Iraq right now. They always say that most of the soldiers want to stay in Iraq to defend America. Also, if we pull the troops out, do you think the terrorists will get mad because America attacked them and won? Oh ya i almost forgot. There is no war! Iraq surrendered did they not? America created the 1st democracy in the middle east. Hopefully the surrounding countries will follow and do the same.

so to sum it all up, VOTE JOHN MCCAIN!

02-22-2008, 04:02 PM	#1
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	see here is the thing for me though C, it sounds well and good - how would "free" medical care be anything but good? but then you realize it is a government run program. how well does our government run anything? how efficiently do they operate? how objective and logical in deciding who and what is covered and for how much? what quality of doctor will you have working inside of such a system? i don't trust the government to do anything but eff things up. i'd rather stick with what we have - a private healthcare system with a support net for those that don't have private insurance. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

02-22-2008, 07:41 PM	#7
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I predict that if Obama does win and eventually become president, he'll be assasinated. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-22-2008, 07:50 PM	#10
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Someone mentioned to me a few days ago that the KKK is the fastest growing 'club' in the world. I haven't researched it, but it wouldn't surprise me. As a black person in power, that would have to be frightening if it's true though. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-22-2008, 08:03 PM	#11
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Well, no I wasn't saying that, but it'd probably be an idea. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-22-2008, 08:42 PM	#13
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	No, I think he'll make a great president for you guys. I'd definitely vote for him over Hillary if I had the choice. I suspect it'll be someone who doesn't like him. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-22-2008, 04:20 PM	#5
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Hillary's plan failed because of paranoid MEN who were freakin' on a woman who had GOOD IDEAS and didn't immediately get down on her knees to suck cock. That's what those good ol' boys are used to women doing. You don't talk with that mouth, baby, you SUCK ME with it! It's truly sickening. Where is Dana when I need that beeyotch?

02-22-2008, 07:37 PM	#6
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	At this point, I don't have a real problem with any of the 3 real candidates left being president, though I prefer Obama. I think Hillary would make a fine president. But if she were elected, it would be like having Dubya in there, only with an edge to the left instead of the right. Some people just hate her, similar to the current president. McCain...I dunno. Again, I think he would make a fine president. But he's old, he has a temper, the Dems wouldn't really want him and neither would the GOP. I try to look at candidates based on what they're presenting to me and what I think they might do (given who they are and what party they stand for). I'll be the first to admit that I don't know a whole lot about Obama's detailed stances. I looked at some of them last week and generally agreed with them...and that works for me. I think I know where McCain stands as well as Hillary. Some folks are already complaining about "the cult of Obama," but the guy is doing something right...I haven't seen this kind of energy for a candidate since...Bill Clinton. (Maybe a little for Howard Dean, but he shot himself in the foot early). I'm not naive. If Obama is elected, he'll get muddled down at least some by the culture of Washington. But I'm willing to give him a chance to try something different.

02-22-2008, 07:45 PM	#9
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Rhoda used to fear electing a black president because of that very concern.

02-22-2008, 08:39 PM	#12
deadbeater Sir Post-A-Lot Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 439	If VP is Clinton, there will be those who will say she was in on it. So, Aliantha, will you assassinate him?

02-22-2008, 10:11 PM	#14
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	The FBI is visiting UT's house as I type this.

02-23-2008, 10:15 AM	#15
xiphos Bryan. Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Jupiter, Florida Posts: 63	OK, all the black people are saying that "Oh, they just don't like Obama because he's black" and all that. But haven't people noticed that black people vote for Obama on an 8-1 ratio? Reverse rasicm? I think blacks are more racist than whites. I bet if you went to a random black person's house and you asked them what Obama wants to do, they would either not know or just say "Change." Well, what kind of change does our country need? Is there people dying on the streets? No, so I guess we don't need that much change. Most of the "Change" we need is the individual person's fault. And about the war, SUPPORT IT. People come up to me ALL THE TIME and say "well you don't know anybody in the war" Obviously they don't know me. 3 of my cousins are in Iraq right now. They always say that most of the soldiers want to stay in Iraq to defend America. Also, if we pull the troops out, do you think the terrorists will get mad because America attacked them and won? Oh ya i almost forgot. There is no war! Iraq surrendered did they not? America created the 1st democracy in the middle east. Hopefully the surrounding countries will follow and do the same. so to sum it all up, VOTE JOHN MCCAIN!

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