Impeding changes to our Health Care system

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by classicman

I would really like to see all these "endless cheap shots."
I've intentionally NOT done that. Again, you want to lump me in with other posters. STOP IT.

Oh bullshit.

This is the next step after avoiding any points: talk about how nice you are about it all.

Originally Posted by classicman

The impact of the current tort reform is negligible. READ what I wrote - true tort reform. Not just an appeasing mention.

Originally Posted by Redux

the bulk of the Medicare cuts are to MA providers who have been overpaid by more than 15%.

Originally Posted by classicman

Thereby reducing the number of providers that will accept it = less providers for those covered.

Originally Posted by Redux

THere are both costs and benefits implemented immediately and other costs and benefits that are deferred until regulations can be written...unless you expect the Insurance Exchange to be created overnight and w/o public comment (then you would probably complain about acting too quickly and w/o transpaerency).

Originally Posted by classicman

There are virtually no benefits and the costs start immediately.
Don't tell me what I would and/or wouldn't do. You are getting to be an asshole - please stop.

Originally Posted by Redux

Exactly what are those provisions that were stripped out that represented the vast majority of reform?
The public option?

Originally Posted by classicman

I already listed them and do not care to do so again.

Originally Posted by Redux

Not the enemy, just a partisan.

Originally Posted by classicman

That you are, and a self admitted one.

Originally Posted by Redux

you are a hypocrite.

Originally Posted by classicman

more name calling - very nice.

Seriously? Oh well, at least you got merc to suck your dick again.

Oh, am I being a name-caller? Well, YES I am! I freely admit it.

Oh, merc? It's challenge, not CHALLANGE. And, when you mean MORE THAN, as in TOO MUCH, it's T-O-O. Not TO MUCH. Unless you're going to a town called MUCH, in which case TO MUCH would be correct.

Maybe someone will learn something today after all.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Seriously? Oh well, at least you got merc to suck your dick again.

Oh, am I being a name-caller? Well, YES I am! I freely admit it.

Oh, merc? It's challenge, not CHALLANGE. And, when you mean MORE THAN, as in TOO MUCH, it's T-O-O. Not TO MUCH. Unless you're going to a town called MUCH, in which case TO MUCH would be correct.

Maybe someone will learn something today after all.

Suck my dick.

No wait, on second thought, not if your life depended on it.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Oh bullshit.

This is the next step after avoiding any points: talk about how nice you are about it all.

Seriously? Oh well, at least you got merc to suck your dick again.
Oh, am I being a name-caller? Well, YES I am! I freely admit it.
Maybe someone will learn something today after all.

Thanks for proving my point. Once I said he was starting to act like an asshole - ONCE.
No cheap shots no, personal attacks - nothing. Just a different opinion.

And please - You can have Merc's dick to yourself - I want no part of it.

Again, thanks for all your valuable input into the discussion.

[classicman]

Ahh, more name calling. Whats wrong with you? Did Santa skip your house or something? Enjoy your one-sided conversation. I'm out.

Originally Posted by classicman

Ahh, more name calling. Whats wrong with you? Did Santa skip your house or something? Enjoy your one-sided conversation. I'm out.

You're out?

What a surprise...thats what you do when you cant respond with facts.

Whats wrong with me?

I just got tired of my opinions being called partisan bullshit by you and Merc (not to mention the facts that I cite regarding the bills that you conveniently chose to ignore....like the fact that the bill will provide unprecedented security to 200+ million in knowing that they wont have coverage being denied or go broke as a result of a health issue...or the facts regarding cuts to MA providers, not patients.) while you consider your opinions to be more factual and less partisan.

And I got tired of turning the other cheek when you and Merc resorted to the endless cheap shots directed at me.

I had enough.....You want to play dirty. I'm in, dude.

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by Redux

You're out?

What a surprise...thats what you do when you cant respond with facts.

Whats wrong with me?

I just got tired of my opinions being called partisan bullshit by you and Merc (not to mention the facts that I cite regarding the bills that you conveniently chose to ignore....like the fact that the bill will provide unprecedented security to 200+ million in knowing that they wont have coverage being denied or go broke as a result of a health issue...or the facts regarding cuts to MA providers, not patients.) while you consider your opinions to be more factual and less partisan.

And I got tired of turning the other cheek when you and Merc resorted to the endless cheap shots directed at me.

I had enough.....You want to play dirty. I'm in, dude.

You do provide facts. You seem to be knowledgable about the subject, perhaps more so than anyone here (above and beyond the dancers, even) and I appreciate your perspective.

I don't say this because I agree with everything: I say this to let you know that it's noticed. Problem is, those you are discussing with are just what you say, and your facts are irrelevant to them.

But, keep posting. Perhpas you'll be like earwax remover and eventually they'll hear a thing or two you say.

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

You do provide facts. You seem to be knowledgable about the subject, perhaps more so than anyone here (above and beyond the dancers, even) and I appreciate your perspective.

I don't say this because I agree with everything: I say this to let you know that it's noticed. Problem is, those you are discussing with are just what you say, and your facts are irrelevant to them.

But, keep posting. Perhpas you'll be like earwax remover and eventually they'll hear a thing or two you say.

Shawnee....thanks for the vote of confidence.

I don’t claim to be an expert on health care reform, but I have taken the time to try to understand the proposals at more than just a superficial level and to rely on more than one perspective…in part, because I am a policy wonk and that is what policy wonks do, but more importantly because it is helpful in my job which involves providing services in numerous program areas, including health care, economic assistance and other domestic programs.

In fact, I have helped create or currently administer programs that can benefit both you and your university (if I recall correctly that you work at a university).

PM me for more details, but I'll warn you that Classicman and The Mercenary (Classenary?) would probably describe the programs as socialism in action.

Beyond that I don’t expect anything to change around here. Classenary will flood the place with partisan links or bold cherry-picked lines from article without providing context, and then become evasive or defensive when confronted with facts.

And course, anyone who challenges them is partisan, while they, on the other hand, are simply putting American first ….yet somehow, they never seem to offer any constructive solutions.

Just think of Cellar Politics as the Classinary version of the Limbaugh/Beck Show.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Redux

And I got tired of turning the other cheek when you and Merc resorted to the endless cheap shots directed at me.

I would really like to see all these "endless cheap shots."
I've intentionally NOT done that. Again, you want to lump me in with other posters. STOP IT.

[TheMercenary]

Well now that the whores of the Congress, Landrieu and Nelson among others, have made their sweetheart deals, the effect of that fall out comes out in numbers. They should rename it, "Health Insurance Corporation and Pharmaceutical Corporation Profit Protection Act of 2009."

States With Expanded Health Coverage Fight Bill

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/27/he...2&ref=politics

[TheMercenary]

The Senate Postmortem, WSJ

We are thus heading toward the first U.S. entitlement program dragged across the finish line on a straight partisan majority, a bill that even its most fervent supporters admit is "flawed" but better than nothing.

It is far worse than nothing. The bill itself is an unprecedented arrogation of federal power over one-seventh of the economy, and even its closest antecedents, Medicare and Medicaid, passed in 1965 with the support of both parties. Reflecting the political consensus that has always inspired durable social reform in America, those entitlements cleared the Senate with more than half of the GOP caucus voting in favor.

The bill Democrats approved on Christmas Eve was drafted "in the shadows, without transparency, just to garner the necessary 60 votes and nothing more," as Mrs. Snowe put it in a statement on Sunday. A law so sweeping and complex that no one can understand it but that will affect the lives of all Americans was thus rushed to passage with little real debate, and less reflection. The Senate considered only 20 of the more than 450 amendments filed.

Those votes were revealing nonetheless, showing that certain Democrats oppose core parts of ObamaCare even as they voted for the final version. Nebraska's Ben Nelson—now justly famous for a Medicaid payoff in return for his vote—and Virginia's Jim Webb voted for the McCain amendment that would have stripped out cuts totalling more than $400 billion in future Medicare spending to fund "universal" health insurance. Along with Blanche Lincoln (Arkansas) and Evan Bayh (Indiana), the duo also supported changes that would have excluded tax increases on individuals earning under $200,000, as President Obama promised during his campaign. The tax amendment failed, 45-54.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...877143186.html

[TheMercenary]

Yea, don't get lumped in with me.

Let it go man. He just doesn't like people who challange the Demoncratic Party propaganda.

[classicman]

At least you admit it - Puts you 1/2 a step ahead of UG.
Seriously - there is enough we disagree upon that he needn't add all that stupid shit you post to any list of mine.

[TheMercenary]

[Shawnee123]

Look, an article about merc (and I like your skanky street ho pic, we know you're attracted to that type)

http://www.theonion.com/content/news...te_defender_of

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Look, an article about merc (and I like your skanky street ho pic, we know you're attracted to that type)

That's just because you dress up for me.