Science, Religion, and the Surrounding Confusion. - Page 14

Flint · 08-07-2008, 07:40 PM

I have no problem with the phrase inductive reasoning, in and of itself. I like how it means inductive reasoning, so you can call it that... and it means that. I like it when we call things what they are, so we can know what they mean.

Clodfobble · 08-07-2008, 10:58 PM

...but what if you don't agree that what he induces is reasonable?

Flint · 08-08-2008, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

...but what if you don't agree that what he induces is reasonable?

I'm willing to take an honest look at it, but I'm not walking into the analysis with a prefered outcome, which happens to coincide with a massively widespread belief system that has been propogated by hook and/or crook.

I prefer to let the evidence do the talking instead of working backwards from a fixed position. And that's the real difference--science doesn't have "faith" in a preferred outcome.

DanaC · 08-08-2008, 04:44 AM

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How then would we distinguish your behavior from that of a crazy person?

Purely a matter of numbers and time. If enough people suffer the same delusion for long enough, it becomes a valid way of viewing the world.

@ Troubleshooter. I disagree slightly with your definition of faith. It is not belief without the need for explanation. It is belief without the need for proof. Religion is nothing if not an explanation of life.

Troubleshooter · 08-08-2008, 11:13 PM

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@ Troubleshooter. I disagree slightly with your definition of faith. It is not belief without the need for explanation. It is belief without the need for proof. Religion is nothing if not an explanation of life.

True

Just a outdated one in my opinion.

regular.joe · 08-08-2008, 05:34 AM

How do we distinguish your behavior from that of a crazy person? Same either way.

So, here we go again, nonsensical clowns, can we not go to the far extreme of an example when talking about having faith?

Dana, belief without the need for proof. I was a serious agnostic a long time ago. My experience has given me proof. I suppose there is this craziness you could ascribe to me. It is proof none the less for me.

Phage0070 · 08-08-2008, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

Purely a matter of numbers and time. If enough people suffer the same delusion for long enough, it becomes a valid way of viewing the world.

@ Troubleshooter. I disagree slightly with your definition of faith. It is not belief without the need for explanation. It is belief without the need for proof. Religion is nothing if not an explanation of life.

Ahh, but they *don’t* suffer the same delusion, just the same type of delusion. If we could run double-blind trials and verify that the faith experiences you experience and we cannot detect are shared and consistent among others then you would have a point. Unfortunately that isn’t what we see; for some people it is clowns, others unicorns, and they only start to become somewhat consistent when you put those people in communication.

Besides, if we could provide solid statistical support to the idea of faith then it would cease to be faith by your definition. Those statistical studies would become proof.

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So, here we go again, nonsensical clowns, can we not go to the far extreme of an example when talking about having faith?

Come on now, that isn’t extreme at all. Faith is what is extreme; the clowns just sometimes insist that you eat a few paper clips, and they really only hang out in closets. The rest of the time it is no big deal. Faith on the other hand is justification for an entire moral code, and ascribes meaning and purpose to every event in the world. Just because you have faith and don’t see clowns does not make the clowns more extreme, I don’t see either.

DanaC · 08-09-2008, 05:04 AM

Oh I agree.

Shawnee123 · 08-19-2008, 09:50 AM

From the cookies:

Faith may be defined briefly as an illogical belief in the occurrence of the improbable.
- H. L. Mencken

BigV · 08-21-2008, 11:12 AM

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind. -- Albert Einstein

Phage0070 · 08-23-2008, 12:22 PM

"It's not much fun being around dumb people." -James Watson, co-unraveler of DNA

regular.joe · 08-23-2008, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Phage0070

"It's not much fun being around dumb people." -James Watson, co-unraveler of DNA

I don't see how this quote applies to the current thread.

Troubleshooter · 08-23-2008, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Phage0070

"It's not much fun being around dumb people." -James Watson, co-unraveler of DNA

I don't see how this quote applies to the current thread.

Now that right there is funny.

jinx · 08-23-2008, 07:47 PM

Beer is proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy. -Ben Franklin

BigV · 08-25-2008, 01:32 PM

Science is a differential equation. Religion is a boundary condition. -- Alan Turing

08-07-2008, 07:40 PM	#1
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I have no problem with the phrase inductive reasoning, in and of itself. I like how it means inductive reasoning, so you can call it that... and it means that. I like it when we call things what they are, so we can know what they mean. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

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regular.joe Старый сержант Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NC, dreaming of large Russian women. Posts: 1,464	How do we distinguish your behavior from that of a crazy person? Same either way. So, here we go again, nonsensical clowns, can we not go to the far extreme of an example when talking about having faith? Dana, belief without the need for proof. I was a serious agnostic a long time ago. My experience has given me proof. I suppose there is this craziness you could ascribe to me. It is proof none the less for me. __________________ Birth, wealth, and position are valueless during wartime. Man is only judged by his character --Soldier's Testament. Death, like birth, is a secret of Nature. - Marcus Aurelius.

08-19-2008, 09:50 AM	#9
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	From the cookies: Faith may be defined briefly as an illogical belief in the occurrence of the improbable. - H. L. Mencken __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

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BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind. -- Albert Einstein __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

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DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Oh I agree.

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Phage0070 Snooty Borg Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 81	"It's not much fun being around dumb people." -James Watson, co-unraveler of DNA

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jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	Beer is proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy. -Ben Franklin __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

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