View on the recent Gaza/Israel stikes - Page 19

sugarpop · 02-09-2009, 01:04 PM

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...de-678667.html

Writing in the New York Review of Books, Robert Malley, who was Mr Clinton's special adviser on Arab-Israeli affairs, claims that Mr Barak failed to honour previous Israeli agreements – assurances which Mr Clinton had been personally guaranteed to Mr Arafat. Mr Barak, the author writes, failed to fulfil promises to withdraw from three villages around Jerusalem and to release Palestinian prisoners – provoking an angry confrontation with Mr Clinton...

...In reality, Palestinian officials and American sources – the latter wisely avoiding Israeli condemnation by talking anonymously – have pointed out that the figure of 96 per cent represented the percentage of the land over which Israel was prepared to negotiate – not 96 per cent of the entire West Bank and Gaza Strip.

Left out of the equation was Arab east Jerusalem – illegally annexed by Israel after the 1967 Arab-Israeli Six Day War – the huge belt of Jewish settlements, including Male Adumim, around the city and a 10-mile wide military buffer zone around the Palestinian territories.

Along with the obligation to lease back settlements – built illegally under international law on Arab land – to Israel for 25 years, the total Palestinian land from which Israel was prepared to withdraw came to only around 46 per cent – a far cry from the 96 per cent touted after Camp David.

http://www.islamonline.net/english/N...rticle18.shtml
WASHINGTON, July 18 (IslamOnline) - In a new revelation that disputes a widely held U.S. view that Palestinian President Yasser Arafat caused the breakdown of U.S.-sponsored Mideast peace talks last year, a report in The Washington Post said that former President Bill Clinton was in fact exasperated at former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak's strategy during the talks.

Though President Clinton publicly blamed the Palestinians for the failure of the Camp David peace summit last July, privately he became exasperated with Barak's negotiating tactics, according to a key White House adviser, The Washington Post said.

The paper also said that at the close of Camp David, a frustrated Clinton blamed Arafat for missing a chance for a "historic deal", thus breaking a pledge to the Palestinian leader that he would not be faulted if the summit failed.

Urbane Guerrilla · 02-09-2009, 10:49 PM

I'd heard of this, which is why I spoke of statelessness.

Aliantha · 02-09-2009, 10:54 PM

I never realised you were so into role playing UG. lol

There's a turn up for the books.

Urbane Guerrilla · 02-10-2009, 12:07 AM

Whaddaya mean, creeping? I'm running! Aren't you running...? :p

Undertoad · 02-10-2009, 09:54 AM

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...669623,00.html

Quote:

Amnesty International on Tuesday accused Hamas of waging a campaign to kill or maim scores of Palestinian opponents in the Gaza Strip since the end of December.

The human rights group said in a report that at least two dozen men have been shot dead by gunmen from the Palestinian militia that governs the Gaza Strip since December 27.

"Scores of others have been shot in the legs, knee-capped or inflicted with other injuries intended to cause severe disability, subjected to severe beatings ... or otherwise tortured or ill-treated," it added.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeee

classicman · 02-10-2009, 01:43 PM

It's Bush's fault

xoxoxoBruce · 02-10-2009, 01:47 PM

Actually, for once it isn't.

TheMercenary · 02-10-2009, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Actually, for once it isn't.

Ok it's Gore's fault.... wait, wait... no I mean Obama.

OnyxCougar · 02-11-2009, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Amnesty International on Tuesday accused Hamas of waging a campaign to kill or maim scores of Palestinian opponents in the Gaza Strip since the end of December.

The human rights group said in a report that at least two dozen men have been shot dead by gunmen from the Palestinian militia that governs the Gaza Strip since December 27.

"Scores of others have been shot in the legs, knee-capped or inflicted with other injuries intended to cause severe disability, subjected to severe beatings ... or otherwise tortured or ill-treated," it added.

Wouldn't it be great if the people rose up against their corrupt and abusive leadership and chose a government that didn't use them to fund a long bloody war and subject them to abject poverty?

Too bad the Palestinians won't do it either.

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02-09-2009, 01:04 PM	#1
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...de-678667.html Writing in the New York Review of Books, Robert Malley, who was Mr Clinton's special adviser on Arab-Israeli affairs, claims that Mr Barak failed to honour previous Israeli agreements – assurances which Mr Clinton had been personally guaranteed to Mr Arafat. Mr Barak, the author writes, failed to fulfil promises to withdraw from three villages around Jerusalem and to release Palestinian prisoners – provoking an angry confrontation with Mr Clinton... ...In reality, Palestinian officials and American sources – the latter wisely avoiding Israeli condemnation by talking anonymously – have pointed out that the figure of 96 per cent represented the percentage of the land over which Israel was prepared to negotiate – not 96 per cent of the entire West Bank and Gaza Strip. Left out of the equation was Arab east Jerusalem – illegally annexed by Israel after the 1967 Arab-Israeli Six Day War – the huge belt of Jewish settlements, including Male Adumim, around the city and a 10-mile wide military buffer zone around the Palestinian territories. Along with the obligation to lease back settlements – built illegally under international law on Arab land – to Israel for 25 years, the total Palestinian land from which Israel was prepared to withdraw came to only around 46 per cent – a far cry from the 96 per cent touted after Camp David. http://www.islamonline.net/english/N...rticle18.shtml WASHINGTON, July 18 (IslamOnline) - In a new revelation that disputes a widely held U.S. view that Palestinian President Yasser Arafat caused the breakdown of U.S.-sponsored Mideast peace talks last year, a report in The Washington Post said that former President Bill Clinton was in fact exasperated at former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak's strategy during the talks. Though President Clinton publicly blamed the Palestinians for the failure of the Camp David peace summit last July, privately he became exasperated with Barak's negotiating tactics, according to a key White House adviser, The Washington Post said. The paper also said that at the close of Camp David, a frustrated Clinton blamed Arafat for missing a chance for a "historic deal", thus breaking a pledge to the Palestinian leader that he would not be faulted if the summit failed.

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