Obama's first failed appointment - Page 28

sugarpop · 04-20-2009, 11:48 PM

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

You think people at the bottom are paid a living wage? What are you smoking, because I want some.

What you are talking about is slave wages.

classicman · 04-20-2009, 11:51 PM

You have obviously smoked plenty.

sugarpop · 04-21-2009, 12:09 AM

A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.

I was sober since 1989 up until a few years ago. I quit smoking weed long before that, like back in 1980 or something. I kind of quit being sober back around 1999 when I did some mushrooms. Now I drink a few beers or a glass or two of wine occasionally, but I rarely drink enough to get high, and by rarely, I might have gotten high from alcohol 2 or 3 times in the past 5 years, since I've been drinking again. It takes me about an hour to drink a beer, so it's kind of hard to get high like that, ya know? I have taken a toke off a joint a couple of times just to see what it would be like now, but I really can't stand the high. Mushrooms now, that is another story. But I've only done them twice since 1989, once when I broke my sobriety and once a couple of years ago. I would definitely do them again too, under the right circumstances and with the right person. I don't really think of mushrooms in the same category though. I don't really think I was breaking my sobriety by doing them. The other stuff, yea.

TheMercenary · 04-21-2009, 12:11 AM

Hey sugar, I just found these mushrooms in my freezer and...

sugarpop · 04-21-2009, 12:21 AM

Really? I'll be right over... *swoosh*

lookout123 · 04-21-2009, 01:40 AM

You're saying a minimum wage earner pays out roughly 45% in taxes? I find that a bit hard to believe.

anyway, $170 take home x 2 = $340 x4 weeks = $1,360. That'll get you a crap apartment and food. of course at that level the food stamps probably help a little too. It sucks no doubt about it, but it is a living wage.

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What you are talking about is slave wages.

Not at all. Those would be slave wages if that is what they earned with no possibility for improvement. Last I checked anyone who isn't happy with their current situation is free to change it.

xoxoxoBruce · 04-21-2009, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

You're saying a minimum wage earner pays out roughly 45% in taxes? I find that a bit hard to believe.

No, 35%. Working people lose about a third of their check. Been a while has it?

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anyway, $170 take home x 2 = $340 x4 weeks = $1,360. That'll get you a crap apartment and food. of course at that level the food stamps probably help a little too. It sucks no doubt about it, but it is a living wage.

Times 2? No no no, times one, $680 if you can get 40 hrs every week. But maybe you can grow some veggies seeing how you're living in the park.

sugarpop · 04-21-2009, 02:03 AM

bwahahahahahahahahaaa. You are funny lookout.

lookout123 · 04-21-2009, 02:06 AM

Why? Is my math wrong? Or is it simply you don't believe people have the freedom and ability to change the situations they find themselves in?

sugarpop · 04-21-2009, 02:14 AM

What I believe is that the people at the top are making it increasingly more difficult for the middle class and the people on the lower end of the spectrum to change their circumstances.

And being able to afford a crap apartment and food only is NOT a LIVING WAGE. There is more to life than just eating and having a really crappy place to live. And ftr, in Savannah, it's extremely difficult to find an apartment for less than $800 a month. Add to that utilities, and that isn't near enough to survive.

lookout123 · 04-21-2009, 02:20 AM

Fair enough. I guess they'll have to get a second job. I know that is what I had to do when my income didn't cover my needs.

A living wage is just that - a living wage. anything beyond that must qualify as a want. Admittedly i like my wants but that is why i busted my ass moving from opportunity to opportunity until I reached the spot I'm in. I own my own semi-profitable company now and guess what? I still explore options as they come up and would make yet another move if I thought it would provide me with more of what I want. That is freedom. NO one is a slave to their employer in this country. They may be a slave to their own fear of breaking out and trying for more, but they are not a slave to their employer.

lookout123 · 04-21-2009, 02:36 AM

oops... 35%. me not goodly with numbers.

Believe it or not bruce I'm still a working people. So is my wife. So are my parents. Come to think of it, just about every damn person I know is a working person. Because I own my company I get the distinct pleasure of paying an additional 7.5% tax on my earnings before my normal taxes are even calculated.

x2 was referring to the spouse. If there is no spouse then this person should be looking for a roommate. and if they can't get 40 hours at that job they need to look for another job. and if minimum wage doesn't provide what they want (and it doesn't) they should be looking for ways to get a job that pays more. education, hard work, and desire are powerful when combined.

xoxoxoBruce · 04-21-2009, 02:50 AM

Spouse? Working spouse? That's a neat trick, two full time jobs when you're living in the park.

Yes education and good clothes do wonders, but both are pretty tough on $170 a week, in addition to living the good life.

classicman · 04-21-2009, 01:10 PM

$7.15 is the min in PA FWIW - as you were. You can survive, but no one is paying that little anyway - least around these parts.

lookout123 · 04-21-2009, 01:56 PM

Bruce, if there is a spouse, they should also be working to pay for the apartment. If there isn't a spouse then a roommate still cuts rent in half. I am not saying these are desirable living conditions, only that they are livable. The reality is minimum wage sucks. It is supposed to be the very basement of what can be paid and logically it is crappy. The truth is that nobody is a slave to that job though. You can sit there and think it is easy to say because I'm not there, but that is the point - I've been there and I'm not anymore. I struggled my way up the chain and I know for a fact anyone can do it.

I get tired of hearing about people being trapped. It is bullshit. People are only trapped by their own decisions. It may be extremely difficult, but it is 100% possible to work your way up the economic ladder. You don't need college degrees and tailored suits to get a job paying more than minimum. You need to have the desire to do whatever it takes, even if it is a job you well and truly hate, to move up. That is it.

04-20-2009, 11:51 PM	#2
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04-21-2009, 12:11 AM	#4
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04-21-2009, 02:06 AM	#9
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	Why? Is my math wrong? Or is it simply you don't believe people have the freedom and ability to change the situations they find themselves in? __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

04-21-2009, 02:20 AM	#11
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	Fair enough. I guess they'll have to get a second job. I know that is what I had to do when my income didn't cover my needs. A living wage is just that - a living wage. anything beyond that must qualify as a want. Admittedly i like my wants but that is why i busted my ass moving from opportunity to opportunity until I reached the spot I'm in. I own my own semi-profitable company now and guess what? I still explore options as they come up and would make yet another move if I thought it would provide me with more of what I want. That is freedom. NO one is a slave to their employer in this country. They may be a slave to their own fear of breaking out and trying for more, but they are not a slave to their employer. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

04-21-2009, 02:36 AM	#12
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	oops... 35%. me not goodly with numbers. Believe it or not bruce I'm still a working people. So is my wife. So are my parents. Come to think of it, just about every damn person I know is a working person. Because I own my company I get the distinct pleasure of paying an additional 7.5% tax on my earnings before my normal taxes are even calculated. x2 was referring to the spouse. If there is no spouse then this person should be looking for a roommate. and if they can't get 40 hours at that job they need to look for another job. and if minimum wage doesn't provide what they want (and it doesn't) they should be looking for ways to get a job that pays more. education, hard work, and desire are powerful when combined. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

04-20-2009, 11:48 PM	#1
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA You think people at the bottom are paid a living wage? What are you smoking, because I want some. What you are talking about is slave wages.

04-21-2009, 12:09 AM	#3
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. I was sober since 1989 up until a few years ago. I quit smoking weed long before that, like back in 1980 or something. I kind of quit being sober back around 1999 when I did some mushrooms. Now I drink a few beers or a glass or two of wine occasionally, but I rarely drink enough to get high, and by rarely, I might have gotten high from alcohol 2 or 3 times in the past 5 years, since I've been drinking again. It takes me about an hour to drink a beer, so it's kind of hard to get high like that, ya know? I have taken a toke off a joint a couple of times just to see what it would be like now, but I really can't stand the high. Mushrooms now, that is another story. But I've only done them twice since 1989, once when I broke my sobriety and once a couple of years ago. I would definitely do them again too, under the right circumstances and with the right person. I don't really think of mushrooms in the same category though. I don't really think I was breaking my sobriety by doing them. The other stuff, yea.

04-21-2009, 12:21 AM	#5
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	Really? I'll be right over... swoosh

04-21-2009, 02:03 AM	#8
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	bwahahahahahahahahaaa. You are funny lookout.

04-21-2009, 02:14 AM	#10
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	What I believe is that the people at the top are making it increasingly more difficult for the middle class and the people on the lower end of the spectrum to change their circumstances. And being able to afford a crap apartment and food only is NOT a LIVING WAGE. There is more to life than just eating and having a really crappy place to live. And ftr, in Savannah, it's extremely difficult to find an apartment for less than $800 a month. Add to that utilities, and that isn't near enough to survive.

04-21-2009, 02:50 AM	#13
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Spouse? Working spouse? That's a neat trick, two full time jobs when you're living in the park. Yes education and good clothes do wonders, but both are pretty tough on $170 a week, in addition to living the good life. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

04-21-2009, 01:10 PM	#14
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	$7.15 is the min in PA FWIW - as you were. You can survive, but no one is paying that little anyway - least around these parts. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

04-21-2009, 01:56 PM	#15
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	Bruce, if there is a spouse, they should also be working to pay for the apartment. If there isn't a spouse then a roommate still cuts rent in half. I am not saying these are desirable living conditions, only that they are livable. The reality is minimum wage sucks. It is supposed to be the very basement of what can be paid and logically it is crappy. The truth is that nobody is a slave to that job though. You can sit there and think it is easy to say because I'm not there, but that is the point - I've been there and I'm not anymore. I struggled my way up the chain and I know for a fact anyone can do it. I get tired of hearing about people being trapped. It is bullshit. People are only trapped by their own decisions. It may be extremely difficult, but it is 100% possible to work your way up the economic ladder. You don't need college degrees and tailored suits to get a job paying more than minimum. You need to have the desire to do whatever it takes, even if it is a job you well and truly hate, to move up. That is it. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

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