Obama's Dog

Originally Posted by Nirvana

Ah so that was my mistake. Here let me amend it; they included this bill sandwiched in the existing state code that refers to parolees and sex offenders. BTW have the last word I am sure you want it....

Look at the code sections.

The bulk of the bill (with the exception of one sentence) is in an entirely different section and chapter of the state code (IC 15-21) from the parolees/sex offenders (IC 11-13)

There is no sandwich here

[Nirvana]

http://openlibrary.org/b/OL1753176M/...umane-movement

[Nirvana]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...erest_Alliance

Propaganda to the left of us....propaganda to the right of us.

Thats all I'm suggesting.

[Nirvana]

Is it propaganda when Oprah adopts rescue dogs and they are disease ridden? Rescue does not = the best place to get a dog. [Point of thread]

http://www.peoplepets.com/news/pets-...tens-another/1

Originally Posted by Nirvana

Rescue does not = the best place to get a dog. [Point of thread]

On this, we agree!

[classicman]

lol.

[xoxoxoBruce]

The problem is not how many cats and dogs are euthanized, the problem is we don't eat them.

[TheMercenary]

Nirvana, to all your posts in this thread:

[Nirvana]

This city council Manteca CA. is meeting today to propose the mandatory spaying and neutering of all dogs.

1. CC Waive the first reading by substitution of the title and introduce Ordinance No.
1434, an Ordinance of the City Council of the City of Manteca Amending
Sections 6.10.010 through 6.10.130 of Title 6 of the Manteca Municipal Code
Pertaining to the Spaying and Neutering of Dogs.

http://www.ci.manteca.ca.us/legis/agenda.pdf

[Nirvana]

Spay/Neuter is an important medical decision that should be made for each individual pet only after careful consultation with the pet's veterinarian, instead of mandated at a fixed age by the government.

Mandatory Spay/Neuter, when enacted in other locations including San Mateo County, California, and Santa Cruz County, California, and more recently the City of Los Angeles, California, has caused rates of animal shelter intakes, euthanasia rates, and animal control government costs to go up in relation to surrounding communities where Mandatory Spay/Neuter has not been enacted.

Mandatory Spay/Neuter, where enacted, has reduced compliance with pet licensing, and in certain area, has also reduced compliance with rabies vaccination requirements. Reduction in the percentage of pets vaccinated against rabies could have serious public health consequences.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Nirvana

Reduction in the percentage of pets vaccinated against rabies could have serious public health consequences.

So does overpopulation - they are trying to solve a problem (perceived or real) I don't know what a real solution is, but they are trying - I'll at least give them that.

[Nirvana]

So you would be ok with them [gov] coming over and putting a device on your car to limit your speed to 35 miles an hour? Maybe they will have one that makes it impossible for you to have water in your house any hotter than 55 degrees. The government is messing with your property, what you own, and if you give these rights away other rights will follow.

[Nirvana]

I should preface that not every puppy in the litter will be show worthy that is where the pets produced by hobby breeders can be available to the public. Hobby breeders in Maine would have to "gift" their extra puppies or "collect and hoard" the extra puppies they are not allowed to sell without extensive fees and licensing.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Nirvana

So you would be ok with them [gov] coming over and putting a device on your car to limit your speed to 35 miles an hour? Maybe they will have one that makes it impossible for you to have water in your house any hotter than 55 degrees. The government is messing with your property, what you own, and if you give these rights away other rights will follow.

Don't get all bent at me I was just asking a question. How does this relate to my question?

Originally Posted by Nirvana

If the consumer has a choice to buy cheap imitation products they will spend less money for inferior dogs.

Not always. IIRC I brought this up pages ago. The market for high end purebreds is changing. Perhaps I am incorrect here, but I look at these dogs similar to a Maserati or a Ferrari.

Originally Posted by Nirvana

Say you are buying a really good pedigreed female to start showing and breeding. In my breed that means $2500. On top of that the law in Maine will make it $650 per intact female who could even afford to have pets unless you spay them and you cannot show a neutered animal in conformation?

Thats $650 per female breeding or female born? Which is it? What is the average litter size? If its 6 than the cost goes up about $110 per pup ... very nominal increase if $2500 per dog. Just trying to understand the numbers.

Originally Posted by Nirvana

None of the cost mentioned above include health care or feeding. What would the cost of a puppy be?

Those are all constants costs and have no bearing here - you have to pay for all that either way.

Originally Posted by Nirvana

There will be people selling illegally because of these laws and people will find them and get their cheap poorly bred dogs from them. This is already happening.

There will be more - I got that. Hard to calculate how many "more"