Iranian thugs killing protestors - Page 2

Griff · 06-27-2009, 11:42 AM

Great photos, although I'm pretty sure the 5th one is an O.A.R. concert in upstate NY.

*snip*
So I said Johnny whatcha doing tonight?
He looked at me with a face full of fright
And I said, how bout a revolution?
And he said right.
I say of, you say a
I say revolution, and you say jah
I say of, you say a
I say revolution, and you say jah jah jah
Jahova!

Clodfobble · 06-27-2009, 06:16 PM

I have an interesting connection to some of this stuff. My aunt by marriage is native Iranian, and has family still living there now (they are, of course, pretty freaking liberal considering their daughter moved to the States to be a college professor, so you can imagine which side of the conflict they're on.) She was hosting a large amount of information, photos, etc. on her Facebook page from a variety of personal connections, but then a few days ago she took down large parts of it. All she would say is that "it occurred to her" that there was some stuff that "could cause problems." She wouldn't elaborate, but I suspect she's genuinely afraid for, or even received direct threats to, her relatives. This is not a woman who typically backs down from freaking anything. This more than anything has convinced me that things are very, very bad over there right now.

ZenGum · 07-01-2009, 07:37 PM

coughtongueincheekcough

and, err, did you get the memo about "haggis" being the replacement for "lol"?

You old geezer you

Urbane Guerrilla · 07-01-2009, 10:40 PM

As a matter of fact, shonny, I did. Recently, 'tis true. [/old-guy voice]

It'sh really hard to do old guy voische with tongue in cheek...

sugarpop · 07-13-2009, 09:25 AM

I watched a really interesting show about our relations with Iran over the past 35 years recently on National Gerographic TV. It was called Iran and the West. You should check it out when it comes on again.

http://channel.nationalgeographic.co...-3337/Overview

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/sm...entary_June_22

ZenGum · 07-07-2009, 06:23 AM

TV news said: a bunch of dissident clerics have dissed the election results and panned the supreme council for being biased in favour of Ahmedinejad.

piercehawkeye45 · 07-07-2009, 06:38 PM

Generalizing, those are the two forces pulling Iran apart at the moment. The mullahs and military want the militarized state and the urban population want a more liberal state.

In reality it is much more complicated (I don't fully understand it either) since there is a large liberal force within the mullahs and the general Iranian population is not pro-western plus a shitload of other reasons but that is a basic overview.

sugarpop · 07-07-2009, 06:51 PM

I agree. I was simply repeating something that an Iranian-American said. I don't think he meant it quite so literally either. And, the Iranian people have good cause not to trust us, or well, our government I should say. I think, in general, the Iranian people aren't so anti-American as they are anti-American government.

piercehawkeye45 · 07-07-2009, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sugarpop

I agree. I was simply repeating something that an Iranian-American said. I don't think he meant it quite so literally either. And, the Iranian people have good cause not to trust us, or well, our government I should say. I think, in general, the Iranian people aren't so anti-American as they are anti-American government.

It varies on where they live, how old they are, and how they were raised. Though keep in mind that the views of Iranian-Americans tend to differ from Iranians because many left during the Islamic Revolution in 1979. They will be biased just like going down to Florida to talk to Cuban-Americans.

spudcon · 07-07-2009, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sugarpop

I think, in general, the Iranian people aren't so anti-American as they are anti-American government.

I think that goes for many Americans too.

sugarpop · 07-07-2009, 08:53 PM

Well that particular person has relatives still living there, as do many of the people who have been on political shows talking about this issue.

I have known quite a few Persians in my life. Some with relatives still there, some not. They are a generally a great group of people, in my experience, although still very patriarchal in nature. They love living here though, and most of them are citizens now.

sugarpop · 07-11-2009, 12:17 PM

Certainly goes for me, in general...

06-27-2009, 11:42 AM	#1
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Great photos, although I'm pretty sure the 5th one is an O.A.R. concert in upstate NY. snip So I said Johnny whatcha doing tonight? He looked at me with a face full of fright And I said, how bout a revolution? And he said right. I say of, you say a I say revolution, and you say jah I say of, you say a I say revolution, and you say jah jah jah Jahova! __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

06-27-2009, 06:16 PM	#2
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	I have an interesting connection to some of this stuff. My aunt by marriage is native Iranian, and has family still living there now (they are, of course, pretty freaking liberal considering their daughter moved to the States to be a college professor, so you can imagine which side of the conflict they're on.) She was hosting a large amount of information, photos, etc. on her Facebook page from a variety of personal connections, but then a few days ago she took down large parts of it. All she would say is that "it occurred to her" that there was some stuff that "could cause problems." She wouldn't elaborate, but I suspect she's genuinely afraid for, or even received direct threats to, her relatives. This is not a woman who typically backs down from freaking anything. This more than anything has convinced me that things are very, very bad over there right now. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

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ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	coughtongueincheekcough and, err, did you get the memo about "haggis" being the replacement for "lol"? You old geezer you __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

07-01-2009, 10:40 PM	#4
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	As a matter of fact, shonny, I did. Recently, 'tis true. [/old-guy voice] It'sh really hard to do old guy voische with tongue in cheek... __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

07-07-2009, 06:23 AM	#6
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	TV news said: a bunch of dissident clerics have dissed the election results and panned the supreme council for being biased in favour of Ahmedinejad. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

07-13-2009, 09:25 AM	#5
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	I watched a really interesting show about our relations with Iran over the past 35 years recently on National Gerographic TV. It was called Iran and the West. You should check it out when it comes on again. http://channel.nationalgeographic.co...-3337/Overview http://www.monstersandcritics.com/sm...entary_June_22

07-07-2009, 06:38 PM	#7
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Generalizing, those are the two forces pulling Iran apart at the moment. The mullahs and military want the militarized state and the urban population want a more liberal state. In reality it is much more complicated (I don't fully understand it either) since there is a large liberal force within the mullahs and the general Iranian population is not pro-western plus a shitload of other reasons but that is a basic overview. __________________ I like my perspectives like I like my baseball caps: one size fits all.

07-07-2009, 06:51 PM	#8
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	I agree. I was simply repeating something that an Iranian-American said. I don't think he meant it quite so literally either. And, the Iranian people have good cause not to trust us, or well, our government I should say. I think, in general, the Iranian people aren't so anti-American as they are anti-American government.

07-07-2009, 08:53 PM	#11
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	Well that particular person has relatives still living there, as do many of the people who have been on political shows talking about this issue. I have known quite a few Persians in my life. Some with relatives still there, some not. They are a generally a great group of people, in my experience, although still very patriarchal in nature. They love living here though, and most of them are citizens now.

07-11-2009, 12:17 PM	#12
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	Certainly goes for me, in general...

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