Poor, Pitiful Palin

[SamIam]

That's why I like this place - all the pithy insights.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by SamIam

That's why I like this place - all the pithy insights.

The lithping too.

Given a choice between Obama and Palin -- I'd take the one who isn't at all a socialist. Which lets out every Democrat leftwards of Joe Lieberman.

[morethanpretty]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

The lithping too.

Given a choice between Obama and Palin -- I'd take the one who isn't at all a socialist. Which lets out every Democrat leftwards of Joe Lieberman.

Yeah because pure right wing ideology creates a perfect government, just ask any nation that has had a fascist in power. Like Germany.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by morethanpretty

Yeah because pure right wing ideology creates a perfect government, just ask any nation that has had a fascist in power. Like Germany.

Oh really? Have you never ever, not once in your life or your education, ever EVER run across the term "Beefsteak Nazi," nor heard the quip that "Nazism went so far right that it met Communism coming around the other way"?

Fascism is just as leftist as Communism -- both are about government ownership of the means of production, both push the "collective," both expected to create, by legislative fiat yet, a "new class/sort of man," which was expected to be a large improvement over the regular variety, and both had the essential characteristic of the left wing: that a very large, omnipotent, omnicompetent State should run every least aspect of everyone's life. Thus, an immediate tropism to large-scale POWER is evident in both. Leftists really want power, and a lot more than conservatives do.

MTP, mistaking conservative ideas for fascistic ones (Might you be doing that, do you think? -- any risk of it? Can you spot any differences?) is simply lazy -- and exactly the deception the perfidious, dissembling, aggrandized-state Left wishes you to labor under. Ignorance Is Strength? Read that one somewhere? More precisely, your ignorance is their strength. Is that how you want it? If you wish to remain deceived or to remain lazy, then continue in your present view. But could I take you seriously as a thinker until you discontinue this received unwisdom and strike out on your own, with a searching mind? I for one find the ultrastatists' blandishments less and less attractive. I have better values than that. (They hate that.)

I'm not pulling this out of the air; it's von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, who was smarter than you and me both together. At any rate, not a philosopher to sneeze at, for all his sentimental fondness for the house of Habsburg and the throne of Austria-Hungary. He clearly thought with Austria-Hungary gone belly-up that Europe began its long slide downhill. Perhaps this had something to do with most of its former territories falling behind the Iron Curtain.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Fascism is just as leftist as Communism

No, you're comparing Germany's Fascism with the USSR, which was not Communism, but another dose of Fascism... and neither are left. (no pun intended)

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

No, you're comparing Germany's Fascism with the USSR, which was not Communism, but another dose of Fascism... and neither are left. (no pun intended)

Bruce, I'll trust Erik von Kühnelt-Leddihn's judgement on that one over yours, slightly sorry to say -- however much easier your handle is to spell than his. He was as bright as both of us put together, maybe with Wolf added in. (I wouldn't add Radar except as a make-weight.) Were you to bother to get his Leftism Revisited you'd have the understanding of it that I do: he makes the case that both are in the leftward end of the spectrum. Until you do this bit of required reading, you're flailing away in disgraceful ignorance. Not a problem I have.

The left side of the aisle began as a French enthusiasm for using a large, activist, much-empowered State to right social ills. Nothing, really, more than that. In the beginning.

[xoxoxoBruce]

You'll believe anybody that says what you want to hear, silly boy.

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Until you do this bit of required reading, you're flailing away in disgraceful ignorance. Not a problem I have.

Oh, quit whining, UG. WE all know that you are quantum leaps above the rest of us when it comes to IQ. You have read every book in the library of congress at least three times. This is in addition to your usual persual of the Congressional Record, never mind the Federal Statutes and any pertaining slip laws.

I, on the other hand like those large comic books with the big crayon. No doubt you will call me a fellow traveler with the other commie cunts. Or with any luck you'll label me a "natterig nabob of negatism."

I am mostly mad at you and your cronies boring Redux to tears, so that he departed from these groups. Between Mercenary, Classicman, and you, all there is left to read is anti-commie propaganda. Why don't you just go down and picket Wally World and leave the rest of us in peace.

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by Urban Guerrilla

Bruce, I'll trust Erik von Kühnelt-Leddihn's judgement on that one over yours, not in the least sorry to say it, either.

See, EvKL (as I'll now call him) had all world politics down to two simple systems. Both fascism and Communism are actually the same thing. The only way to get us out of this mess is red-blooded monarcy or EVKL (ever notice how if you add the missing "i's" to EVKL you get EVILKIL? That means something I'm sure.

The comment on EVKL's brilliance had been deleted due to massive redundency

Though I will say that Wolf seems quite capable of defending herself. You're flailing away in disgraceful ignorance. Not a problem I have.

Well, thank god for small mercies. I don't know what I'd do with an intellect the size of yours. Pick up trash along the side of the road perhaps?

The left side of the aisle began as a French enthusiasm for using a large, activist, much-empowered State to right social ills. Nothing, really, more than that. In the beginning.

Right, then the social ills started getting addressed , the noblemen of Europe began to decrease in power, and you call yourself a midde of the road American. Have you ever thought of writing comedy? Oh by the way, what are your thoughts on droit de seigneur?

[spudcon]

Originally Posted by morethanpretty

Yeah because pure right wing ideology creates a perfect government, just ask any nation that has had a fascist in power. Like Germany.

Translation of Nazi Party= National Socialist Party. Socialism is a left wing, not right wing philosphy. Just sayin'.

[morethanpretty]

Originally Posted by spudcon

Translation of Nazi Party= National Socialist Party. Socialism is a left wing, not right wing philosphy. Just sayin'.

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Because its called National Socialist Party you think it was socialism? Do a quick google search. They were fascists.

Originally Posted by wiki

Nazism is often considered by scholars to be a form of fascism. While it incorporated elements from both left and right-wing politics, the Nazis formed most of their alliances on the right.

Just sayin'.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by ZenGum

Or just listen for keywords and recite the appropriate talking point.

No, she'd probably listen for keywords and recite the inappropriate talking point.