Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees

[TheMercenary]

Tinker v. Des Moines
Independent Community School District

http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/com...ch/tinker.html

[TheMercenary]

The constitution does not explicitly state or even mention minors' rights, which makes the topic debatable.

However, minors are presumed to have the fundamental natural rights (rights to life, liberty, and property), as well as 1st amendment rights (freedom of/to religion, speech, press, assembly, and petition).

But these rights come with strings attatched. For example, the manner, location, and time of speech factor into the lawfulness of violating that right. As an example, a person who yells "Fire!" in a theatre is bound to start some sort of chaotic state in the crowd. It is a compelling state interest to prevent riots, etc. from occuring, so violation of this kind of speech is constitutional.

Minors, depending on age, still do not have the legal rights to smoke, drink (as in alcohol), vote, and/or drive. On the other hand, minors cannot be sued due to parental custody.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_a...S_Constitution

[TheMercenary]

[TheMercenary]

The only question is do the students have a right to wear an American flag on their shirts to school any day of the week. All other questions are really not significant.

What if they were to wear a FUBU shirt or a Confederate Flag shirt? Does it matter? IF it does, than no one should be allowed to wear any shirt that promoted one culture or country over another.

[jinx]

You say, "Let's say they were sent home for their own safety, and the safety of others who might be caught up in the fray". I don't know where this comes from.

It came from reading your post where you explain that you know of schools where wearing an american flag would incite violence.

I personally know of schools where students would have resorted to violence or something else that would have made the situation worse.

there are schools where this would be a legitimate safety issue

These are your words and I was responding to them as I read them.

[TheMercenary]

The fact is, Americans are increasingly fed up with the racially divisive, politically correct insanity pulsating through the country today. After years of being pressured and browbeaten by the left-wing PC police about what they can say, do, think, and wear, many Americans have had enough. And they're especially furious with being asked to apologize for things that aren't or shouldn't be in the least bit offensive.

The idea that high school kids anywhere in America would be called the principal's office - let alone that they would be asked whether they should apologize - for wearing clothes bearing the image of the United States flag, is a perfect case in point.

It's the kind of insanity that rankles the sensibilities of millions upon millions of Americans, and has them cheering when someone - whether a Cambridge cop or a Bay Area mother - stands up, refuses to back down, and says, "there will be no apology."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...gy_105472.html

[classicman]

Five kids attending Live Oak High School in Morgan Hill, Calif., decided to wear patriotic clothing (T-shirts and bandannas with the American flag on them) on Cinco de Mayo. Assistant Principal Miguel Rodriguez told them that the clothing was inappropriate for the holiday and to ditch the bandannas and turn their shirts inside out or go home.

[classicman]

[classicman]

Oh, and here is another tidbit thats not been addressed - at least two of the four boys wearing the American flag T-shirts had Mexican ancestry.

[lumberjim]

this is America

Cinco de Mayo is Mexican Holiday

have a Corona and STFU

[jinx]

And...so the kids "said" they acted out of patriotism. Kids never lie when they are confronted?

So assume they are lying - what's the real reason they wore flag tshirts then? to cause trouble? What is the climate of this school then, if these kids knew that simply wearing an american flag would be considered offensive, to the point that they'd need to be sent home so they didn't get beaten up by a mexican mob?

If it's so bad there, I'm glad they called attention to it. The administration needs to explain why a public school in america is so hostile towards the american flag and what they plan to do about it. They also need to learn some conflict resolution skills...

I get it....just ignore the dress code....ignore the fact that you know nothing about the kids in question.....ignore the fact that the Asst Principal presumably had a much better understanding of the school environment than any outsider....including the parents, the media and you or me.

And...you can defend your words anyway you want.

If you look at my posts, I havent defended him. I said it may or may not have been poor judgment, but in either case, IMO, it certainly wasnt a violation of the students rights. We dont have all the facts!

And pre-judging is prejudice.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Redux

I get it....just ignore the dress code...

I quoted the dress code

ignore the fact that you know nothing about the kids in question..

Irrelevent

ignore the fact that the Asst Principal presumably had a much better understanding of the school environment than any outsider including the parents, the media and you or me.

Who? Asst Principal Miguel Rodriguez the one that determined wearing a T-shirt with the flag of America on it was inappropriate?

And...you can defend your words anyway you want.

Yes I can and I have. thank you.

Pre-judging is prejudice.

Yes it is and yours has been exposed.

Originally Posted by classicman

...Who? Asst Principal Miguel Rodriguez the one that determined wearing a T-shirt with the flag of America on it was inappropriate?

You are making assumptions w/o knowing all the facts...w/o hearing anything from the Asst Principal, other than what was reported.

That...in any language is pre-judging or prejudice.

Originally Posted by classicman

.....Yes it is and yours has been exposed.

Merc speak

[classicman]

Originally Posted by classicman

Yes it is and yours has been exposed.

Originally Posted by Redux

Merc speak

lol - Wait what? Your reverting to that already? Is that all you got?
Isn't it you who claimed that when one cannot defend their position they....