Sept 16, 2010: Presidio Pet Cemetery

xoxoxoBruce · 09-15-2010, 11:15 PM

When I hear Presidio I think military, army. Even though I've been there a few times, being a easterner, San Francisco doesn't come to mind unless I think about it. But the last thing I would conjure up is a pet cemetery.

Because many of the pets buried there belonged to military families that had moved on, someone created this website for people to virtually visit their pet's graves.

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In San Francisco's Presidio, just above Crissy field, at the corner of McDowell and Cowles, is a pet cemetery. The following pages are just some of the many graves found there.

If your pet is buried in the Presidio, and you don't see the marker here, email me, and I'll try to find it and add it to the site.

That's kind of cool, I think.

Leah · 09-15-2010, 11:23 PM

My 5 tonne elephant has just passed away, is there a plot big enough for him????

spudcon · 09-16-2010, 12:40 AM

Sorry for your loss, Leah. Here's a stone for your pachyderm pal.

Undertoad · 09-16-2010, 01:08 AM

Spudly! Behave!

Scriveyn · 09-16-2010, 01:40 AM

"Bok Choy Boy"

What number is that on the menu?

xoxoxoBruce · 09-16-2010, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Leah

My 5 tonne elephant has just passed away, is there a plot big enough for him????

Yes, but it might be cheaper to take him to Hawaii with you, and bury him there rather than Frisco.

glatt · 09-16-2010, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Leah

My 5 tonne elephant has just passed away, is there a plot big enough for him????

Sorry, Leah!

blase · 09-16-2010, 11:17 AM

Should you wish to visit it, it's right here.

http://goo.gl/maps/7Qx6

(from a former Presidio Trust employee)

xoxoxoBruce · 09-16-2010, 11:40 AM

What does the Presidio Trust do?

blase · 09-17-2010, 05:20 AM

After the military closed the base it was handed over to the national park service as it's part of the Golden Gate Nature something-or-other. The problem was that the park service is good with trees but doesn't know jack about buildings.

Some of the structures were in pretty good shape from recent military use and maintenance. Others had been marginal and were made much worse by a couple years of NPS neglect.

The problem with running a park in the middle of an urban area is that it's expensive. VERY expensive. The budget for the Presidio was about the combined cost of Yellowstone and Yosemite combined. So then everybody and their grandma got involved and started getting ideas of what should be done--added to the mix of SF politics and it was a very ugly political mess.

The resolution that came out of it was the very first Federal Corporation, the Presidio Trust. Their mandate was to preserve the historic buildings (the base is older than the USA as it was first a Spanish outpost, then Mexican and finally US military). The buildings would be re-mediated to a state where asbestos would not fall off the ceiling and WWII ordinance would be cleaned up.

The Trust was given a budget that was full support for the first several years and afterwards it would decrease every year as the renovated buildings would be fixed and leased. The income from the building leases would have to cover the operating budget entirely by something like 2013 or 2015. If they couldn't meet the deadline then it potentially could be sold off for development or whatever.

The Presidio Trust works in conjunction with the NPS on conservation projects such as the Crissy Field (the beach on the northern border) and the NPS manages all the beach areas as there are no buildings in that area.

I don't know how far along they are with regards to meeting the deadline but by a quick perusal of the businesses listed in Google it would seem they've got a pretty good occupancy rate. While I was there most buildings were still really "raw" but it was fascinating to go look inside them. Now they are leased with a combination of residential and commercial tenants.

One building that I thought was particularly beautiful was being leased at the cost of $4,500 per month, keep in mind that it's a home that would sell for about $350,000-400k in my city. And those tenants are not getting any equity for the high costs. None of the buildings can be sold.

It was a wonderful experience and at that time it was still very empty so there was plenty of exploration to do with all manner of really interesting buildings and military fortifications. It's 200+ years of military time capsule.

Lamplighter · 09-17-2010, 08:48 AM

Nice bit of history, Blase !

xoxoxoBruce · 09-17-2010, 09:36 AM

Yes, excellent blase, thank you.

Hillrick · 09-17-2010, 11:41 AM

a reminder of how it is a shame that a good dog is only here for a few short years. Unfortunately that asshole next door/in your office/of a brother/etc seem to live forever.

(Ok, I'll give a shout out to all those good cats, rats and birds there too)

Lamplighter · 09-17-2010, 11:47 AM

Dogs live shorter lives that people for one very good reason...

Another puppy !

spudcon · 09-17-2010, 08:22 PM

That asshole next door to me has two dogs that have been having a barking marathon for the last two nights, starting at 9:30 and continuing until long past midnight. Then they start early in the morning to reming the owner to feed them. If those dogs die today, I won't care a bit.

09-16-2010, 12:40 AM	#3
spudcon Beware of potatoes Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY, USA Posts: 2,078	Sorry for your loss, Leah. Here's a stone for your pachyderm pal. Attached Images __________________ "I believe that being despised by the despicable is as good as being admired by the admirable."

09-16-2010, 11:40 AM	#9
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	What does the Presidio Trust do? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-17-2010, 09:36 AM	#12
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Yes, excellent blase, thank you. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-17-2010, 11:41 AM	#13
Hillrick Ender of Vendors Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 44	Nice post but a reminder of how it is a shame that a good dog is only here for a few short years. Unfortunately that asshole next door/in your office/of a brother/etc seem to live forever. (Ok, I'll give a shout out to all those good cats, rats and birds there too)

09-17-2010, 08:22 PM	#15
spudcon Beware of potatoes Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY, USA Posts: 2,078	That asshole next door to me has two dogs that have been having a barking marathon for the last two nights, starting at 9:30 and continuing until long past midnight. Then they start early in the morning to reming the owner to feed them. If those dogs die today, I won't care a bit. __________________ "I believe that being despised by the despicable is as good as being admired by the admirable."

09-15-2010, 11:23 PM	#2
Leah Love my Heffalumps Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia (best place in the world) Posts: 346	My 5 tonne elephant has just passed away, is there a plot big enough for him????

09-16-2010, 01:08 AM	#4
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Spudly! Behave!

09-16-2010, 01:40 AM	#5
Scriveyn amnesic-confabulatory opsimath Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Between my ears Posts: 739	"Bok Choy Boy" What number is that on the menu?

09-16-2010, 11:17 AM	#8
blase Coronation Incarnate Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 91	Should you wish to visit it, it's right here. http://goo.gl/maps/7Qx6 (from a former Presidio Trust employee)

09-17-2010, 05:20 AM	#10
blase Coronation Incarnate Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 91	After the military closed the base it was handed over to the national park service as it's part of the Golden Gate Nature something-or-other. The problem was that the park service is good with trees but doesn't know jack about buildings. Some of the structures were in pretty good shape from recent military use and maintenance. Others had been marginal and were made much worse by a couple years of NPS neglect. The problem with running a park in the middle of an urban area is that it's expensive. VERY expensive. The budget for the Presidio was about the combined cost of Yellowstone and Yosemite combined. So then everybody and their grandma got involved and started getting ideas of what should be done--added to the mix of SF politics and it was a very ugly political mess. The resolution that came out of it was the very first Federal Corporation, the Presidio Trust. Their mandate was to preserve the historic buildings (the base is older than the USA as it was first a Spanish outpost, then Mexican and finally US military). The buildings would be re-mediated to a state where asbestos would not fall off the ceiling and WWII ordinance would be cleaned up. The Trust was given a budget that was full support for the first several years and afterwards it would decrease every year as the renovated buildings would be fixed and leased. The income from the building leases would have to cover the operating budget entirely by something like 2013 or 2015. If they couldn't meet the deadline then it potentially could be sold off for development or whatever. The Presidio Trust works in conjunction with the NPS on conservation projects such as the Crissy Field (the beach on the northern border) and the NPS manages all the beach areas as there are no buildings in that area. I don't know how far along they are with regards to meeting the deadline but by a quick perusal of the businesses listed in Google it would seem they've got a pretty good occupancy rate. While I was there most buildings were still really "raw" but it was fascinating to go look inside them. Now they are leased with a combination of residential and commercial tenants. One building that I thought was particularly beautiful was being leased at the cost of $4,500 per month, keep in mind that it's a home that would sell for about $350,000-400k in my city. And those tenants are not getting any equity for the high costs. None of the buildings can be sold. It was a wonderful experience and at that time it was still very empty so there was plenty of exploration to do with all manner of really interesting buildings and military fortifications. It's 200+ years of military time capsule.

09-17-2010, 08:48 AM	#11
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	Nice bit of history, Blase !

09-17-2010, 11:47 AM	#14
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	Dogs live shorter lives that people for one very good reason... Another puppy !

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