Of all the beliefs you hold, the most dangerous... - Page 5

monster · 12-02-2010, 10:19 PM

sorry, that wasn't really intended directly at you. Your post just gave me an avenue to finally respond on the topic without continuing the vitriol war.

Clodfobble · 12-03-2010, 02:55 PM

I think it's less about uncertainty, and more about adversity. The worse a person's life has been, the more likely they are to have faith--it's a lot harder to say "it's all meaningless" when it's been full of suffering from the getgo. The meaning justifies the suffering and gives a person a reason to bear it.

footfootfoot · 12-03-2010, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

The meaning justifies the suffering and gives a person a reason to bear it.

There have been psychological studies done that show when a person sees their suffering or sickness as having meaning as opposed to being completely random, they tend to heal quicker and suffer fewer long term effects. I'll have to ask Mrs. Foot for citations.

That being said, how is that belief related to Faith in particular?

Undertoad · 12-03-2010, 03:30 PM

A recent open forum with an ER doc, the guy said that if you are involved in a serious accident or trauma where your injuries are serious, the first thing you should do is BELIEVE very strongly that your condition is severe and it may take a very long time for help to arrive. He said that if you believe that, the body will take precautions to avoid shock and bleed-out and similar.

I'm still wondering how you inform yourself of this.

skysidhe · 12-03-2010, 04:10 PM

I am not sure about that. It seems what the mind is thinking the body follows.
If you think you are dying, you'll give in a little? A lot.

Seems like shock would work for the benefit of the person, briefly.

About 10 years ago,I was in a car accident. My car was totaled. If I had been going a little faster, I would have took it in the door. It spun me around 180 degrees. I got out of the car. I walked to a phone booth to call my insurance co. I didn't know I was hurt until the next day.

How could I have told my body I was really hurt,( banged up ) when shock had already taken over?

Shock always occurs first. I think. It tells your body you are ok, so you can do something extraordinary?

W.HI.P · 12-03-2010, 04:25 PM

sexobon · 12-03-2010, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by skysidhe

I am not sure about that. ...

... Seems like shock would work for the benefit of the person, briefly. ...

...How could I have told my body I was really hurt,( banged up ) when shock had already taken over?

Shock always occurs first. I think. It tells your body you are ok, so you can do something extraordinary?

There's emotional shock and then there's circulatory shock which is defined as an inadequate perfusion (i.e. blood delivering oxygen) to the tissues which can be caused by things like bleeding. I think the latter type of shock is to what UT was referring.

plthijinx · 01-18-2011, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by skysidhe

Shock always occurs first. I think. It tells your body you are ok, so you can do something extraordinary?

when i got Nailed by that 8 year old kid at the track back in july my body went completely numb as it happened. a few hours later? i hurt bad. that one took about a month and a half to heal.

skysidhe · 12-03-2010, 04:56 PM

.....,. and sometimes not so extraordinary, like finding your hairbrush.

Hey ya WHIP

Pico and ME · 12-03-2010, 05:38 PM

Those two were a matched set in that flick. I cant take much of Laura Dern.

Number 2 Pencil · 01-17-2011, 12:51 AM

I held many beliefs to be true in the past, or at least I wanted them to be true. I was Catholic for a good many years and did my best to be one to the hilt. Now I think that that kind of faith is dangerous because it is blind following of a kind that goes against logic. I had faith in a ton of things I see as nonsense now.

Having changed my point of view to agnostic over time, I question absolute truths of all kind, and am wary of the beliefs I hold now in that I wonder if some new evidence may 'flip' my beliefs again in some unexpected way, this having happened once already. One thing I do have faith in, despite evidence to the contrary at times, is there is a fundamental goodness to humankind- or at least the potential for goodness- that supersedes most evil that happens. I would be devastated if I lost that article of faith, and it is possibly a dangerous belief to hold.

skysidhe · 01-23-2011, 12:31 AM

That one? You always practice jumping moving objects? j/k

12-02-2010, 10:19 PM	#1
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	sorry, that wasn't really intended directly at you. Your post just gave me an avenue to finally respond on the topic without continuing the vitriol war. __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

12-03-2010, 02:55 PM	#2
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	I think it's less about uncertainty, and more about adversity. The worse a person's life has been, the more likely they are to have faith--it's a lot harder to say "it's all meaningless" when it's been full of suffering from the getgo. The meaning justifies the suffering and gives a person a reason to bear it. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

12-03-2010, 04:25 PM	#6
W.HI.P Free Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 1,513	__________________ pls stfu k thx

01-17-2011, 12:51 AM	#11
Number 2 Pencil Not too hard, not too soft Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Next to a yapping dog Posts: 75	I held many beliefs to be true in the past, or at least I wanted them to be true. I was Catholic for a good many years and did my best to be one to the hilt. Now I think that that kind of faith is dangerous because it is blind following of a kind that goes against logic. I had faith in a ton of things I see as nonsense now. Having changed my point of view to agnostic over time, I question absolute truths of all kind, and am wary of the beliefs I hold now in that I wonder if some new evidence may 'flip' my beliefs again in some unexpected way, this having happened once already. One thing I do have faith in, despite evidence to the contrary at times, is there is a fundamental goodness to humankind- or at least the potential for goodness- that supersedes most evil that happens. I would be devastated if I lost that article of faith, and it is possibly a dangerous belief to hold. __________________ Is all that we see or seem But a dream within a dream? -Poe

12-03-2010, 03:30 PM	#4
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	A recent open forum with an ER doc, the guy said that if you are involved in a serious accident or trauma where your injuries are serious, the first thing you should do is BELIEVE very strongly that your condition is severe and it may take a very long time for help to arrive. He said that if you believe that, the body will take precautions to avoid shock and bleed-out and similar. I'm still wondering how you inform yourself of this.

12-03-2010, 04:10 PM	#5
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	I am not sure about that. It seems what the mind is thinking the body follows. If you think you are dying, you'll give in a little? A lot. Seems like shock would work for the benefit of the person, briefly. About 10 years ago,I was in a car accident. My car was totaled. If I had been going a little faster, I would have took it in the door. It spun me around 180 degrees. I got out of the car. I walked to a phone booth to call my insurance co. I didn't know I was hurt until the next day. How could I have told my body I was really hurt,( banged up ) when shock had already taken over? Shock always occurs first. I think. It tells your body you are ok, so you can do something extraordinary?

12-03-2010, 04:56 PM	#9
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	.....,. and sometimes not so extraordinary, like finding your hairbrush. Hey ya WHIP

12-03-2010, 05:38 PM	#10
Pico and ME Are you knock-kneed? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Middle Hoosierland Posts: 3,549	Those two were a matched set in that flick. I cant take much of Laura Dern.

01-23-2011, 12:31 AM	#12
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	That one? You always practice jumping moving objects? j/k

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