Latest Arab Spring thread - Page 3

classicman · 05-31-2011, 09:54 PM

or they might be pissed at those who may have offered assistance "behind closed doors" they didn't deliver... Who knows. certainly none of us. Fun postulating though.

Fair&Balanced · 05-31-2011, 11:12 PM

It has been interesting following the national conservative response to US policy and actions in Libya.

For the most part, Obama has either done too little (the McCain,William Kristol camp) and the US should always take the lead with a greater military presence rather than ceding it to NATO and we should be bombing more aggressively or we should never have gotten into Libya in the first place (the Scarborough, George Will camp).

The few who support the policy (Romney camp) do so but question Obama's leadership. Evidently, leadership requires greater personal visibility rather than a more nuanced behind the scenes approach by influencing both the military and political response by remaining in the background and letting NATO lead the military response and the Arab League and African Union lead the political response.

Fair&Balanced · 06-01-2011, 11:23 AM

Sure, if you say so and if you believe it is relevant to the Arab spring uprisings.

TheMercenary · 06-01-2011, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced

Sure, if you say so and if you believe it is relevant to the Arab spring uprisings.

It is relevant to your false statement: "Zero press means fewer massacres taking place."

Fair&Balanced · 06-01-2011, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

It is relevant to your false statement: "Zero press means fewer massacres taking place."

Only if you want to be argumentative, given that my response was directed at Libya.

You have evidence that more massacres have taken place in Libya in recent days?

TheMercenary · 06-01-2011, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced

Only if you want to be argumentative, given that my response was directed at Libya.

You have evidence that more massacres have taken place in Libya in recent days?

It matters not, the statement was utterly false.

Actually few true massacres have taken place in Libya. Troops firing on selected crowds and killing them hardly amounts to a massacre, an atrocity certainly. Unlike when the UN failed to act in Bosnia and a true massacre did occur. NATO had to step in without a UN mandate and get the job done when the EU should have dealt with the whole issue independently.

classicman · 06-01-2011, 01:09 PM

Do you have evidence that no massacres took place in Libya in recent days?

I'M KIDDING!

Spexxvet · 06-01-2011, 01:16 PM

Do you have evidence that you're kidding?

I do. I saw it in the press!

classicman · 06-01-2011, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Do you have evidence that you're kidding?

I do. I saw it in the press!

We've long had the discussion of calling out someone to prove the negative...

And I FUCKIN' SAID SO in the post.

Yes I know you were being sorta humorous as well...

Spexxvet · 06-01-2011, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

We've long had the discussion of calling out someone to prove the negative...

And I FUCKIN' SAID SO in the post.

Yes I know you were being sorta humorous as well...

I was being completely humorous.

infinite monkey · 06-01-2011, 03:52 PM

I can't find a definition for the threshold for massacre.

glatt · 06-02-2011, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by infinite monkey

I can't find a definition for the threshold for massacre.

As a point of reference, the Boston Massacre was when the Redcoats killed 5 colonists. That was enough to be called a massacre in America, but the British thought it was a riot.

DanaC · 06-01-2011, 04:05 PM

Umm...I was listening to and watching the news reports of the massacres in Rwanda pretty much as they were happening. There was lots of news coverage.

[eta] Just saw on tonight's news an estimated 40 people have been massacred by government troops in Syria.

Fair&Balanced · 06-01-2011, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

Umm...I was listening to and watching the news reports of the massacres in Rwanda pretty much as they were happening. There was lots of news coverage.

[eta] Just saw on tonight's news an estimated 40 people have been massacred by government troops in Syria.

Syria continues to spiral downward and a soft EU-sponsored draft resolution at the UN this week that simply condemned the actions of the government was opposed by Russia and China before even coming to a vote.

I dont know a reasonable way to prevent further violence unless Russia or Iran pressures Assad.

ZenGum · 06-01-2011, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

Umm...I was listening to and watching the news reports of the massacres in Rwanda pretty much as they were happening. There was lots of news coverage.

Me too. Lots of it.
Maybe it depends on which news sources people were watching. And if you think your news sources weren't reporting Rwanda properly, maybe you should broaden your news sources.

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[eta] Just saw on tonight's news an estimated 40 people have been massacred by government troops in Syria.

Tha's just today right? Because I see running totals in the several hundreds, maybe over a thousand, for the total in the recent troubles, for Syria alone.

05-31-2011, 09:54 PM	#1
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	or they might be pissed at those who may have offered assistance "behind closed doors" they didn't deliver... Who knows. certainly none of us. Fun postulating though. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

06-01-2011, 01:09 PM	#7
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Do you have evidence that no massacres took place in Libya in recent days? I'M KIDDING! __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

06-01-2011, 01:16 PM	#8
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	Do you have evidence that you're kidding? I do. I saw it in the press! __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

05-31-2011, 11:12 PM	#2
Fair&Balanced Operations Operative Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 495	It has been interesting following the national conservative response to US policy and actions in Libya. For the most part, Obama has either done too little (the McCain,William Kristol camp) and the US should always take the lead with a greater military presence rather than ceding it to NATO and we should be bombing more aggressively or we should never have gotten into Libya in the first place (the Scarborough, George Will camp). The few who support the policy (Romney camp) do so but question Obama's leadership. Evidently, leadership requires greater personal visibility rather than a more nuanced behind the scenes approach by influencing both the military and political response by remaining in the background and letting NATO lead the military response and the Arab League and African Union lead the political response.

06-01-2011, 11:23 AM	#3
Fair&Balanced Operations Operative Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 495	Sure, if you say so and if you believe it is relevant to the Arab spring uprisings.

06-01-2011, 03:52 PM	#11
infinite monkey Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 13,002	I can't find a definition for the threshold for massacre.

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