The Benghazi Incident

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Adak

It wasn't the intelligence briefing that had the lie about it being a demonstration over a film - they never thought that was true in Libya. This was an attack from al Qaeda, not a film demonstration. It was confirmed with a recon drone, for god's sake.

Drones can't read minds yet.

The intelligence briefing removed mention of al Qaeda due to lack of corroboration at the time. When they were confident enough, the briefings reflected that change.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Drones can't read minds yet.

The intelligence briefing removed mention of al Qaeda due to lack of corroboration at the time. When they were confident enough, the briefings reflected that change.

The briefings never indicated the incident in Benghazi was anything but an attack - it never was described as a demonstration over a film, a riot, etc.

And it was the anniversary of 9/11 --- .

Exactly what militia was attacking, wasn't known immediately, but THAT it WAS an attack, was very clear.

Why do you insist on calling it "Rain!", whenever Obama pees down your legs?

I don't get it - if ANY recent president except Obama did this crap, they'd be keel-hauled by the press and media.

But for Obama - it's golf and fun times, hey!

[Adak]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Drones can't read minds yet.

The intelligence briefing removed mention of al Qaeda due to lack of corroboration at the time. When they were confident enough, the briefings reflected that change.

So Happy Monkey, now that we know that the CIA briefing to the president included words like "attack" and never included the word "demonstration", (and several other references like it), etc., and this was all changed to make it more palatable for Obama's chances for reelection. Do these facts change your opinion on this matter? Or are the facts now irrelevant, because they no longer fit the ideology you've held dear?

What we know is that the military personnel who had volunteered to go to Benghazi during the attack, were ordered to stand down. Only a few political response team members disregarded their orders, and went.

As one of the military members there said: "I've never seen the day that politicians had more balls than the military".

I don't have all the facts, but it appears that the State Dept. wanted a very limited response to the attack - and the Ambassador called it an ATTACK, not a demonstation. You don't bring explosives and mortars to a demonstration! When the state response team was told to stand down, most did, just a couple went on. They may have been on loan from the CIA, and felt they could defend themselves from later charges of insubordination.

All they could do with that limited amount of personnel, was evacuate the Benghazi compound. They knew the Ambassador was already dead, and were unable to get to his body.

Nothing from outside Libya - like the nearby Aviano Air Base in Italy, could be used, because it required explicit approval from the President, and he wouldn't give it.

Sign of the times:

Aviano Air Base used to have a motto on their webpage:
"Anywhere, Anytime", next to a large picture of an F-15 Eagle fighter.

Now their website has a picture of their swimming pool, etc, and promotes their Drive Safely and Environmental Impact work.

Dear gawd almighty! What's next? Bingo, perhaps a little Karaoke or Poker tournament?

http://www.aviano.af.mil/index.asp

[Lamplighter]

Aviano Air Base used to have a motto on their webpage:
"Anywhere, Anytime",
next to a large picture of an F-15 Eagle fighter.

Now their website has a picture of their swimming pool, etc, and promotes
their Drive Safely and Environmental Impact work.

Dear gawd almighty! What's next? Bingo, perhaps a little Karaoke or Poker tournament?

This is what I've come to expect from Adak.

Here's the link he is so excited about...

Renovated base pool reopens for summer
Posted 5/28/2013 Updated 5/28/2013

Aviano Air Base
by Airman Ryan Conroy
31st Fighter Wing Public Affairs

5/28/2013 - AVIANO AIR BASE, Italy

-- After extensive renovations, the Aviano Air Base pool reopens for the summer
with a free pool party June 1 at 1 p.m.

This summer, U.S. identification card holders and their families can now enjoy
a few new perks that will improve their summer experience thanks to
the 31st Force Support and 31st Civil Engineer Squadrons.

"A lot of the renovations won't be visible because a lot of it went on behind the scenes,"
said April Marling, 31st Force Support Squadron community services flight chief.
"But we have a lot of great improvements that people will notice."

The 31st FSS and 31st Civil Engineer Squadron collaborated
to put forth these behind-the- scenes additions.
<snip>

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Adak

I don't have all the facts, but it appears that...

...you like to pretend you do.

Of course there was an attack; what was unclear, and what could not have been determined by a recon drone, was the identity of the perpetrators, and their motives. Like I said, drones can't read minds.

What Susan Rice said was that they thought there was a protest that got hijacked by extremists with heavy weapons (which were readily available to militia groups of all sorts in the aftermath of the war). She never denied an attack (obviously); she just said that they didn't think at that point that it was a premeditated, coordinated attack.

Rice: But we don’t see at this point signs this was a coordinated plan, premeditated attack. Obviously, we will wait for the results of the investigation and we don’t want to jump to conclusions before then.

FOX News: Obama says there was no attack!

[DanaC]

That made stuff a lot clearer, thanks Joe.

[Griff]

Word, Joe.

[SamIam]

Yeah, thank you for putting things in perspective. And thank YOU, Joe, for your service to our country out on the front lines of all this madness. Take care of yourself.

[BigV]

A letter to the editor about sex and military service.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...m_opinions_pop

General Order No. 1 prohibits sex (and alcohol consumption) on an Army deployment. Typical deployments last approximately one year, so if West Point graduates follow the academy’s rules, then they abstain for all four of their college years, plus the year-long deployment. Five years of abstinence is enough to make anyone crazy.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Reading the author's website, she sounds like a expert. Actually she sounds obsessed about it. Of course being an commissioned officer, she could order privates to do her bidding.

[Lamplighter]

Now after Susan Rice has met with McCain, he is still trying his black balling of Rice "and every other nominee"

Obama now has to stand up to McCain, and nominate Rice for Sec of State
... even if Obama doesn't want her.

[sexobon]

^Better suited to the "Another one bites the dust" thread.^

[BigV]

right. ny mixup

[classicman]

Obama had and still has every intention of nominating her. I wonder if that was the price she paid to get the nomination.

[BigV]

What price?

Go on tv, when they ask questions about xyz, rely on this briefing prepared by the intelligence agencies?