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10-12-2017, 10:38 PM | #1 | |||||
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Oct 13th(Friday), 2017: Internment Camps
The US officially joined the big one, WW II, after the Japs attacked Pearl Harbor, although we were already supplying the Brits
with food and materials plus our ships were being torpedoed by U-Boats. In an emotional frenzy similar to post 9-11 the country scrambled to ramp up to war footing. One question was what to do about the 112,000 Japanese-Americans, primarily on the west coast, where an invasion could take place. Dorothea Lange photographed the internment process, then Army intelligence grabbed the pictures and squirreled them away in the national archives.. Quote:
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There has been a lot of hindsight hand wringing about the decision to create internment camps, how it was unconstitutional, illegal, and unfair. But how/why was that decision made? Beyond the traditional racism and mistrust of Orientals in the US, there was an incident which heavily influenced the decision, the Niihau incident. Niihau is one of the smallest of the Hawaiian Islands and the Jap Navy thinking it was deserted told their pilots to try to get there if they were in trouble and a sub would pick them up. But there were 136 people living there, working for Aylmer Robinson who owned the island but lived on another island. Among the Hawaiians were Jap born issei Ishimatsu Shintani and Hawaiian-born nisei Yoshio and Irene Harada. Quote:
at Harada’s house. They locked the guard in a warehouse, took the pilot’s pistol and a shotgun then went to Kaleohanos but he escaped to warn the others. They burned the plane after removing two machine guns/ammo, then burned Kaleohano‘s house, hoping to destroy the papers with the codes and plans. Most couldn’t believe their friend/neighbor for three years, Harada, could do that, but when the escaped guard arrived they hid in the forest. Quote:
It wouldn't happen now because they could easily decide who to lock up by scanning everyone's NSA dossier. link link
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10-15-2017, 01:40 PM | #2 |
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The picture of the camp with the flag looks like Manzanar. It's in California at the base of the Sierra Nevada range. Twil and I visited the site and it's very solemn. The interment of thousands of American citizens was an avoidable tragedy, a self inflicted wound, born out of unreasonable fear.
Fear we see driving actions of those with power and the public trust even today. Fear.
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10-15-2017, 06:34 PM | #3 |
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10-16-2017, 06:16 AM | #4 |
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If you count all the camps together, there actually were 1,892 deaths according to official government records. But it's true, they didn't bury them on site.
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10-16-2017, 11:43 AM | #5 |
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Slow to respond to this due to such inconveniences as fire, evacuations, failure of electricity, cell service and internet. Thankfully things are back to nearly normal without serious damage except for an oversize truck's snagging my landline yesterday, removing the only thing that worked during all last week.
My Aunt Lola was a Quaker and a delight to know. In 1941 Japanese assets of all kinds were being gobbled up for pennies on the dollar in the very few days available before mandatory relocation. Aunt Lola knew several families and through them got title to many homes and businesses. returning them at the end of the war. I had many Japanese schoolmates that retuned from the camps in time to start kindergarten. |
10-16-2017, 10:07 PM | #6 |
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Glad to hear you're OK, Jim. Do you know if Lola found people to keep the businesses going, and rent the houses, to pay the taxes and prevent the bad things that happen to empty properties?
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10-17-2017, 06:33 AM | #7 |
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Glad you're back DJ.
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10-17-2017, 02:22 PM | #8 |
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Aunt Lola was actually two generations removed and I have always regretted not getting some of those questions answered before she died.
I am not sure why the returned internees seemed to be most active in landscaping and nursery work, except maybe residual resentment and fear made that the only thing available. I would be interested to learn of other post-war endeavors that were open to them and if the whole phenomenon was mostly a west coast one. |
10-23-2017, 09:22 PM | #9 |
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DJ are you a wine-country denizen?
Wow, that imbecile general sounds like a witch hunter. "Let's hold her underwater for 30 minutes to check." |
10-25-2017, 06:40 PM | #10 |
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Hmm. Yes, a denizen of inland Mendocino County, more and more surrounded by pesticide and herbicide dependent wine-grape monoculture.
Vineyards are also noisy damn operations, believe it or not. Diesels for everything from trucks to pumps, sprayers and mechanical harvesters. The Anderson Valley, several miles from me, had a plague of LOUD wind machines that ran from dusk to dawn two years ago. |
10-25-2017, 06:43 PM | #11 |
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To try to avoid frost?
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10-26-2017, 12:05 PM | #12 |
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Yes. Over the years there have been many approaches to trying to grow plants outside of their ideal environments.
As a high schooler, I worked many an early morning tending smudge pots (orchard heaters) in the citrus and avocado groves in the San Gabriel Valley. The view of hundreds of the flaming pots always made think of what a Roman Legion must have looked like. That messy and smog-causing technique was replaced in many places by wind machines used to circulate warmer air with the colder that settled in low places. These were of different designs, but the most common were old airplane engines, props and all, atop towers. Their sound replaced the legions with thoughts of air raids in WWII movies. Most recently in areas where grapes and other crops are at or beyond the edge of the right weather conditions, sprinklers are used to prevent freezing of the newly emerged buds and leaves. Two years ago the drought that ended (was interrupted?) last year made enough water unavailable to protect the grapes with sprinkling and portable wind machines were brought into the Anderson Valley, and sleep was the victim for weeks Agricultural companies proved to have the clout to make their profits paramount. I have enjoyed wine for 60 years and worked in the industry on and off for 30so I am of a divided mind on its proliferation. |
10-26-2017, 12:45 PM | #13 |
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Makes me remember when I first heard about spraying water on the orange trees so that ice forms.
To keep them from freezing. Wait whut? It blew my fragile little mind.
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10-26-2017, 01:34 PM | #14 |
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Say what now?
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Why Spray Fruit Trees With Water Before a Freeze Ain't science crazy? |
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