a well regulated militia

[jaguar]

A blackjack or sap won't show on a magnetic scan any more than a polymer/ceramic blade will. As time goes on you folks are going to get a detailed education in non-ferrous weapons. Not that the bad guys won't have firearms too. They just won't need them as much. Mostly to use on each other, I would imagine.

Oh gee, they're really new aren't they. Meh, random weapons checks won't have a significant impact on weapons carrying apart from some of the most obvious places like clubs, which is a good thing. Outside that kind of controlled enviroment its pretty damn unusual anywhere. Nearly all the knife incidents in the alst year were club related.

Yes, but a perp doesn't *need* to conceal them. Or many other things usable as a bludgeon.

Really? Interesting. You know i've never seen someone carrying a baseball bat here. Ever. I think someones been watching too many movies.

You had to shorten "armed with a firearm" to "firearmed" because you belabor the distinction way beyond its significance....if an assailant is vastly better-armed than you are, where you both fall on the escalation continuum won't matter much in terms of outcomes.

No, I did it for the reasons I mentioned. Stop trying to turn a mountain into a molehill, its ironic you, usually the queen of obscure language to puff yourself up should lay into me for shortening a short sentence into one word.

This is really becoming one very boring slog match, I"m sick of wasting half my newspaper reading time, i'm outa this thread.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Should Jaguar actually make good on his promise to leave this thread, the core of which he has explicitly declared he is not technically competent to discuss, and also declared that he hasn't the time to become so, it will be an act of grace. It will be an act of grace that I will be surprised to see Jaggie the Sophomoric actually performing -- pleasantly surprised, however.

I have but one lifetime in which to bring genocide to an end -- and that lifetime may be half over. I'm not disposed to brook a lot (or indeed any) pro-genocide resistance to this crusade. You can't be pro-genocide and be legitimate, and being pro-genocide can turn around and bite not only you, but your descendants unborn. Even less legitimate is quibbling over my tone. The damned are damned by their own actions, their own words, and their own thoughts. I urge any interested (or not) readers not to be among the damned.

That Jaguar was moved, from time to time since page 7 of this thread, to use various uncomplimentary phrases ("steaming pile...") regarding my remarks suggest that he's still got them in mind, and that those shots went home. Good; that's right where they belong, where he can cogitate upon them: the louder Jag screams out his denials, the more I'm sure he's thinking about what he's trying to dismiss -- without actually being able to do that. In the end Jaguar shall come to the light. It will be an unexpected grace, indeed a mitzvah, if he could refrain from howling and dragging his feet every centimeter of the way.

I can continue to type in text extracts of gun control legislation for quite a while, but they vary mainly in date and detail -- the striking thing about gun control legislation is the temperateness of its legal language, contrasted with the immoderacy of its result. Attempts to preserve the absolute power of the central authority for the present and for all time, it seems, have an ugly way of driving property values way down and shrinking census rolls.

The JPFO unflinchingly cites the genocidal effect on the Amerindians of the de facto and de jure -- for there was both -- denial of arms to the various tribes by the government of the United States, a government not despotic by any measure. This was not the only thing that wiped out whole tribes in this great Volkerwanderung, -- don't forget the microbes -- and the arms embargo was not airtight by any means, but it was there and it was a factor, and it did prevent the indians from gaining any advantageous position that might well have preserved their cultural vitality to an extent greater than their too-often alcohol-sodden current condition. Collapsing into a defeated and self-pitying condition can turn you to substance abuse if you haven't the spiritual resources left to keep your self-respect. This has happened to other Indians, on the Subcontinent. It's why the British East India Company managed to grow into an Empire: the various Hindu princedoms had had the guts and spine smashed out of them by the Mughals.

The Australian government is generally not counted a despotic entity either -- yet consider what effect guns and microbes together had on the Aborigines, who so far as I know had no guns. Sometimes there is malice, but sometimes it's just mostly an accident.

Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership

[Nic Name]

It all makes sense when you remember that the framers of the Constitution were thinking about Philly ... :p

The necessity of self-defense against criminal attacks was also a reason for keeping and bearing arms. As early as 1697 there were complaints that Philadelphia was becoming invested with "pirates and rogues," and in that year, William Penn felt strongly enough to write that "there is no place more overrun with wickedness than Philadelphia."

http://www.guncite.com/journals/dowjud.html

[MaggieL]

Well, Billy was a Quaker boy, black-sheep son of a British Admiral. I suspect he'd lived a rather sheltered life--unless we count that short stay in the Tower of London for heresy, of course. He was no doubt distraught to see his "greene country towne" turn into a massive seaport and colonial metropolis

But Jag must positively worship Penn, who beleived in setting international disputes via arbitration. UN day is even celebrated on Penn's birthday...

[Nic Name]

click on the pic for more redneck photos

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Well, they look like they're having fun -- and fun with the camera too.