Transgender Second Grader - Page 10

Clodfobble · 02-23-2008, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by monster

So then what's the problem with directing the kid to the unisex facility ?

I don't have a problem with it, other than it will serve to further separate and ostracize the kid from his classmates. My problem is not whether concessions are made for him, it's whether they will ultimately lead to the best results for his well-being. You have to balance letting him establish his sexual identity with the very real fact that he is going to be bullied, no matter how hard the teachers try to keep it in check.

monster · 02-23-2008, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

I don't have a problem with it, other than it will serve to further separate and ostracize the kid from his classmates. My problem is not whether concessions are made for him, it's whether they will ultimately lead to the best results for his well-being. You have to balance letting him establish his sexual identity with the very real fact that he is going to be bullied, no matter how hard the teachers try to keep it in check.

I wasn't questioning you, but quoted you because you answered my question for Bruce.

As for the bullied issue -it wouldn't happen here -our lesbian moms are too scary for kids to get out of line on sexuality issues

srsly, though, he'd get bullied anyway -kids don't need to see special treatment to notice "different"

monster · 02-23-2008, 08:39 PM

in reply to bruce

Not at the same time, no. But the same facilities. Schools these days have single-toilet facilities. There are only two "multiple occupancy" bathrooms in our school, and they are upstairs next to the 5-8 grade rooms. They are rarely used.

xoxoxoBruce · 02-23-2008, 08:44 PM

From the link.

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two unisex bathrooms in the building will be made available.

Two in the building, or haven't you been paying attention before spouting off.

monster · 02-23-2008, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

From the link.Two in the building, or haven't you been paying attention before spouting off.

How many bathrooms do you think the kid needs?

xoxoxoBruce · 02-23-2008, 08:48 PM

One. The same one the other boys use.

monster · 02-23-2008, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

One. The same one the other boys use.

You do know you protest too much, don't you? You're too intelligent for this homophobic crap.

monster · 02-23-2008, 08:47 PM

(oh and they are probably disabled bathrooms rather than staff ones.....)

Aliantha · 02-24-2008, 03:44 PM

The idea of breaking down barriers is so that the things we percieve to be 'different' now, might be considered normal or even ok in the future.

If we continue to say it's not ok to say you're gay or that you want to wear girls clothes when you're young to those who feel a physical need to do so then those barriers will remain in place and we will continue to have a high number of homosexual males commit suicide rather than come out and say they're gay. They'll continue to be bashed by homophobic males. They'll continue to be abused.

Until we raise the awareness of the general community and take all the hoodoo's away, we'll continue to be a dangerous society for gay people to live in.

And again, I don't see anywhere in the article that they're making special provisions for the child anyway. If the loo's are available to other students also, then what's the big deal?

xoxoxoBruce · 02-24-2008, 04:59 PM

This has absolutely nothing to do with homosexuals or homophobia.

Sheldonrs · 02-24-2008, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

This has absolutely nothing to do with homosexuals or homophobia.

Then call it whatever phobia you want. It's still wrong.

Aliantha · 02-24-2008, 05:07 PM

I think it does, and these are my reasons.

Western society is built on gender stereotypes. Everything we do including how we dress is based on male/female roles. This of course means that when uniformity is required as in schools, we have no choice but to revert to those stereotypical norms.

However, as our society has evolved, slowly but surely, these stereotypes have begun to break down. We see women doing traditionally male oriented jobs and we see men doing traditional females jobs as an example. We've seen women start to wear pants over the last hundred or so years along with bikinis and all sorts of other things that once were considered inappropriate or perhaps even 'special'.

I can understand the resistance some people might feel towards these barriers being further broken down, but I'm certain that in the future, children who are now considered 'special' might just be considered ordinary, but none of this will occur without first having to go through the public forum to be debated ad nauseum.

I know I'm on the winning side of this debate though. History tells me this is so.

Aliantha · 02-24-2008, 05:28 PM

Human beings can't digest Eucalypt leaves anyway.

Besides, providing such a comparison is simply an attempt to trivialize the situation, and it's not a trivial subject.

monster · 02-24-2008, 09:38 PM

How do you prove they're not?

Aliantha · 02-25-2008, 10:10 PM

He might end up in jail because he's a man who likes to wear women's clothing?

02-23-2008, 08:39 PM	#3
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	in reply to bruce Not at the same time, no. But the same facilities. Schools these days have single-toilet facilities. There are only two "multiple occupancy" bathrooms in our school, and they are upstairs next to the 5-8 grade rooms. They are rarely used. __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

02-23-2008, 08:48 PM	#6
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	One. The same one the other boys use. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-23-2008, 08:47 PM	#8
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	(oh and they are probably disabled bathrooms rather than staff ones.....) __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

02-24-2008, 03:44 PM	#9
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	The idea of breaking down barriers is so that the things we percieve to be 'different' now, might be considered normal or even ok in the future. If we continue to say it's not ok to say you're gay or that you want to wear girls clothes when you're young to those who feel a physical need to do so then those barriers will remain in place and we will continue to have a high number of homosexual males commit suicide rather than come out and say they're gay. They'll continue to be bashed by homophobic males. They'll continue to be abused. Until we raise the awareness of the general community and take all the hoodoo's away, we'll continue to be a dangerous society for gay people to live in. And again, I don't see anywhere in the article that they're making special provisions for the child anyway. If the loo's are available to other students also, then what's the big deal? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-24-2008, 04:59 PM	#10
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	This has absolutely nothing to do with homosexuals or homophobia. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-24-2008, 05:07 PM	#12
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I think it does, and these are my reasons. Western society is built on gender stereotypes. Everything we do including how we dress is based on male/female roles. This of course means that when uniformity is required as in schools, we have no choice but to revert to those stereotypical norms. However, as our society has evolved, slowly but surely, these stereotypes have begun to break down. We see women doing traditionally male oriented jobs and we see men doing traditional females jobs as an example. We've seen women start to wear pants over the last hundred or so years along with bikinis and all sorts of other things that once were considered inappropriate or perhaps even 'special'. I can understand the resistance some people might feel towards these barriers being further broken down, but I'm certain that in the future, children who are now considered 'special' might just be considered ordinary, but none of this will occur without first having to go through the public forum to be debated ad nauseum. I know I'm on the winning side of this debate though. History tells me this is so. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-24-2008, 05:28 PM	#13
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Human beings can't digest Eucalypt leaves anyway. Besides, providing such a comparison is simply an attempt to trivialize the situation, and it's not a trivial subject. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-24-2008, 09:38 PM	#14
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	How do you prove they're not? __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

02-25-2008, 10:10 PM	#15
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	He might end up in jail because he's a man who likes to wear women's clothing? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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