The coming liberal thugocracy - Page 10

Pico and ME · 10-31-2008, 01:44 PM

Personally, I think the election is going to be given to Obama because this country will go ballistic if it has to deal with another four years of the last 8 years worth of republican crap. O'bama is really going to be nothing more than a panacea for the really bad ill will that has been brewing in the voting public.

Clodfobble · 10-31-2008, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Mercenary

"The results of the searches were not publicly released and remain confidential, she wrote."

Really? So how did that info make it to the press???? Hmmmmm. How is that we are talking about those details now????? Hmmmmm. Seems like someone on the inside with an axe to grid got the info out to all of us so we could talk about it.

How did what info make it into the press? The fact that they did the searches? The results of the searches are still private. We choose to assume he hasn't broken the law because they haven't brought any charges on him, and he says that he has no child support to pay and has never received welfare. He made that part public.

TheMercenary · 10-31-2008, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

How did what info make it into the press? The fact that they did the searches? The results of the searches are still private. We choose to assume he hasn't broken the law because they haven't brought any charges on him, and he says that he has no child support to pay and has never received welfare. He made that part public.

Info that he even owed child support. That he even owed back taxes. That only came out after someone did a search and put it in the press. That is the reason that an investigation was started in the first place to see how that info made it to the press and who did the searches. The only thing that may have been protected to this point is PID, ssn, ex-wife's name and address, etc.

classicman · 10-31-2008, 01:57 PM

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Toledo police-records clerk Julie McConnell has been charged with gross misconduct for accessing the Law Enforcement Automated Data System to retrieve Wurzelbacher's address. She reportedly did it as a favor to a reporter.

Authorities also say the Cuyahoga County social-services office was compromised and an outside contractor with access to the state attorney general's test account similarly searched Wurzelbacher's data.

Moreover, his driver's-license and vehicle-registration information were obtained from the Bureau of Motor Vehicles.

Guess the D's are learning. The R's are not the only ones playin this game.

Shawnee123 · 10-31-2008, 02:06 PM

No, I am not reading too much into your comments. You likened Obama to the Beatles and his following to a thousand screaming teenyboppers. Surely you have more respect for us than that, and surely you aren't going to go back to the "you just didn't understand what I said" argument when what you said was very, very clear.

TheMercenary · 10-31-2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

No, I am not reading too much into your comments. You likened Obama to the Beatles and his following to a thousand screaming teenyboppers. Surely you have more respect for us than that, and surely you aren't going to go back to the "you just didn't understand what I said" argument when what you said was very, very clear.

SO basically you are saying that there are not a majority of voters who are voting for Obama because 1) Anyone but McCain/Republickin and or 2)He is black and or 3)They just like him better because he is young and or 4)He sounds so hip when he talks.

And that there are not people just voting for McCain because 1)Anyone but a Democrat and or 2)He is right-to-life and or 3)He is white and or 4)He has been around a lot longer.

IMHO there are a lot of people on both sides of the issue who have no freaking clue what either canidate stands for.

Shawnee123 · 10-31-2008, 02:13 PM

Oh for fuck's sake. Quit lumping me into this "everybody" and quit trying to find ways to show that anything you've said regarding WHY people choose who they vote for is any different than any other reason people have ever chosen who they vote for.

My god do you listen to yourself?

Undertoad · 10-31-2008, 02:18 PM

Charisma in a pol you support, is a remarkable leadership quality.

In a pol you don't support, is fiendish trickery.

Me, I've come to admire it. Getting people to like you. I wish I were better at it. I wish I had Reagan's natural disarming charm, Clinton's conveyance of immediate compassion, Obama's remarkable poise. All three are men at ease with themselves.

Clodfobble · 10-31-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Mercenary

Info that he even owed child support. That he even owed back taxes.

As I already pointed out, child support is public information to begin with. Ever check The Smoking Gun? All court documents are public unless they are specially sealed by the judge for some reason. And owing back taxes is a crime, so as soon as they charge you with it, that too becomes public information. They did not release his tax returns (private information), they did not reveal whether he has received welfare/unemployment (we assume because he didn't, but if he did, it must have been under legitimate circumstances, because they didn't press charges--if they had, then yes, those charges would have been public,) and the one person who illegally gave out information (the police officer who gave his home address to a reporter) is being punished accordingly.

Most people would be appalled to learn how much of their information is 100% public.

TheMercenary · 10-31-2008, 02:45 PM

The most basic explanation for why Barack Obama may win next Tuesday is that voters want economic deliverance. The standard fix for this in politics everywhere is to crowbar the old party out and patch in the other one. It is true as well that the historic nature of the nation's first African-American candidacy would play a big role.

Barbara KelleyPush past the historic candidacy, however, and one sees something even larger at stake in this vote. One sees what Joe (The Plumber) Wurzelbacher saw. The real "change" being put to a vote for the American people in 2008 is not simply a break from the economic policies of "the past eight years" but with the American economic philosophy of the past 200 years. This election is about a long-term change in America's idea of itself.

I don't agree with the argument that an Obama-Pelosi-Reid government is a one-off, that good old nonideological American pragmatism will temper their ambitions. Not true. With this election, the U.S. is at a philosophical tipping point.

The goal of Sen. Obama and the modern, "progressive" Democratic Party is to move the U.S. in the direction of Western Europe, the so-called German model and its "social market economy." Under this notion, business is highly regulated, as it would be in the next Congress under Democratic House committee chairmen Markey, Frank and Waxman. Business is allowed to create "wealth" so long as its utility is not primarily to create new jobs or economic growth but to support a deep welfare system.

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122533132337982833.html

HungLikeJesus · 10-31-2008, 03:28 PM

Merc, I often don't know if I'm reading something you've written or just something you pasted in.

TheMercenary · 10-31-2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus

Merc, I often don't know if I'm reading something you've written or just something you pasted in.

Sorry about that. Yes it is from the wsj and is only the first part of the article it continues in the link. Just another assessment. I hope it is not true. The times are uncertain.

classicman · 10-31-2008, 03:32 PM

Its an article from the Wall street Journal.
I especially don't like the last paragraph - hope thats not true. If so then we are moving into a plan/policy that has repeatedly failed and been proven to be a disaster.

Undertoad · 10-31-2008, 04:08 PM

19 months into the campaign, Obama used some boilerplate lefty lingo and everybody saw it as an opportunity to lose their shit.

End of the world sighted. Cats and dogs, living together. Four days out.

classicman · 10-31-2008, 04:11 PM

I'll be out of the country for all the insanity - THANK GOD.

10-31-2008, 02:06 PM	#5
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	No, I am not reading too much into your comments. You likened Obama to the Beatles and his following to a thousand screaming teenyboppers. Surely you have more respect for us than that, and surely you aren't going to go back to the "you just didn't understand what I said" argument when what you said was very, very clear. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

10-31-2008, 02:13 PM	#7
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Oh for fuck's sake. Quit lumping me into this "everybody" and quit trying to find ways to show that anything you've said regarding WHY people choose who they vote for is any different than any other reason people have ever chosen who they vote for. My god do you listen to yourself? __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

10-31-2008, 02:45 PM	#10
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	The most basic explanation for why Barack Obama may win next Tuesday is that voters want economic deliverance. The standard fix for this in politics everywhere is to crowbar the old party out and patch in the other one. It is true as well that the historic nature of the nation's first African-American candidacy would play a big role. Barbara KelleyPush past the historic candidacy, however, and one sees something even larger at stake in this vote. One sees what Joe (The Plumber) Wurzelbacher saw. The real "change" being put to a vote for the American people in 2008 is not simply a break from the economic policies of "the past eight years" but with the American economic philosophy of the past 200 years. This election is about a long-term change in America's idea of itself. I don't agree with the argument that an Obama-Pelosi-Reid government is a one-off, that good old nonideological American pragmatism will temper their ambitions. Not true. With this election, the U.S. is at a philosophical tipping point. The goal of Sen. Obama and the modern, "progressive" Democratic Party is to move the U.S. in the direction of Western Europe, the so-called German model and its "social market economy." Under this notion, business is highly regulated, as it would be in the next Congress under Democratic House committee chairmen Markey, Frank and Waxman. Business is allowed to create "wealth" so long as its utility is not primarily to create new jobs or economic growth but to support a deep welfare system. (continues) http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122533132337982833.html __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

10-31-2008, 03:28 PM	#11
HungLikeJesus Only looks like a disaster tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: above 7,000 feet Posts: 7,208	Merc, I often don't know if I'm reading something you've written or just something you pasted in. __________________ Keep Your Bodies Off My Lawn SteveDallas's Random Thread Picker.

10-31-2008, 03:32 PM	#13
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Its an article from the Wall street Journal. I especially don't like the last paragraph - hope thats not true. If so then we are moving into a plan/policy that has repeatedly failed and been proven to be a disaster. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-31-2008, 01:44 PM	#1
Pico and ME Are you knock-kneed? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Middle Hoosierland Posts: 3,549	Personally, I think the election is going to be given to Obama because this country will go ballistic if it has to deal with another four years of the last 8 years worth of republican crap. O'bama is really going to be nothing more than a panacea for the really bad ill will that has been brewing in the voting public.

10-31-2008, 02:18 PM	#8
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Charisma in a pol you support, is a remarkable leadership quality. In a pol you don't support, is fiendish trickery. Me, I've come to admire it. Getting people to like you. I wish I were better at it. I wish I had Reagan's natural disarming charm, Clinton's conveyance of immediate compassion, Obama's remarkable poise. All three are men at ease with themselves.

10-31-2008, 04:08 PM	#14
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	19 months into the campaign, Obama used some boilerplate lefty lingo and everybody saw it as an opportunity to lose their shit. End of the world sighted. Cats and dogs, living together. Four days out.

10-31-2008, 04:11 PM	#15
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I'll be out of the country for all the insanity - THANK GOD. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

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