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You don't need the farcical contrast of Ibby's posts on this subject to make this post look so good, so rational, so wise. You post looks good on its own, and Ibby's posts look ridiculous all on their own. I mention them both at this point because I'm injecting myself into the conversation at this point. By making clear the important distinctions between emotional reactions to the words and actions of others and the difficulty establishing a definitive, comprehensive meaning for such a subjective idea as "racism". Your measured, thoughtful approach is an example of the best way to discuss such a difficult subject, and the only way to begin to develop solutions to the problems that are created by the effects of racism.
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Ibby, when you post stuff like this, you sound like the most oppressed victim in the history of the world. It makes me wonder why you don't have your on United Nation Protection Force. You're dripping with empathy for some people but those bitter tears blind you completely to the validity of the points of view of other people *outside* your pity party.
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01-08-2013, 06:52 PM | #154 |
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Holy Fuck.
I dont give a goddamn if you 'adult' males think Ibby is responding in an emotional immature way, because he has a GREAT point. If only you could walk in a PoC's shoes for ONE DAY, maybe you would get it.
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holy fuck indeed.
What makes you think I DON'T "get it"? Give me some example that indicates I don't understand racism. I'd like to hear one. Furthermore, show me an example of how Ibby's got some kind of advantage of understanding of racism over me. One last thing, what exactly is "his GREAT point"?
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They're not MY lunatic fringe. Don't give them to me. I don't want them!
*tosses lunatic fringe to Adak*
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Phew! *brushes off hands*
Or perhaps you're calling the entire tea party the lunatic fringe? If so, I agree. All else aside, it is lunacy to refuse any and all attempts at political compromise, to just vote "no" on EVERYTHING, and to put the financial future of the entire United States into jepordy just because you don't get every single you want down to the last eye lash. The tp membership is composed of older, white, affluent males. Evangelicals also tend to be tp members. And as I stated in the other thread, its membership is largely concentrated in the Southern States with a few other places like Montana and the West Slope of otherwise liberal Colorado tagging along just for the hell of it. The tea party also has a strong racist undertone which it attempts to hum under its breath when the commie liberal press from the East Coast is around, but swells out as loudly as the sound of a battalion of Confederate troops singing "I wish I was back in the land of cotton. Old times there are not forgotten..." And I ain't just whistling Dixie, either. From Wikipedia:
I appreciate the cultural/emotional/political nuances which must come into play when discussing the definition of "racism." However, I prefer to cut to the chase with that old truism, actions speak louder than words." (see examples above)
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Yeah, that works as an excuse if it isn't the leaders and founders of the movement making the racist comments.
The founder of the movement is not a 'fringe'.
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I have completely lost patience with the way it has become a cultural norm to sugar coat everything. I was bemused to discover that children no longer get an "F" on their report card if they fail a subject. Instead, they come home with a note from the school congratulating them on "qualifying" for a special class that will be held after school 2 or 3 days each week. There will be cookies provided and fun games to play. If this "fun" remedial schooling doesn't work, the kid gets promoted to the 4th grade, anyway. Social Security and Medicare have morphed into something called "entitlements" instead of being earned benefits that almost every American worker has paid for through payroll deductions from their hard earned checks. The social contract has turned into an "entiltlement," as well - consisting of a set of frivolous expenditures easily discarded in favor of maintaining the "defense" industry and keeping up the cash flow to Hallibuten. The 100,000 civilians killed in the Iraq war when we were "defending" ourselves from a country that had never attacked us were "collateral damage," and torture is now "enhanced interrogation." The Bill of Rights was ruled null and void under something called the "Patriot Act." It is now "patriotic" to arrest citizens without letting them know what charges are being laid against them and hold them for some indefinate amount of time without trial - there is no more due process under the law, but that's OK because it's "patriotic." The news media described 20 dead first graders as being "honored" by prayer vigils and through special funds set up in their memory. We used to honor someone (usually an adult) who gave up their life for the sake of some greater good. It is not an "honor" for a six year-old child to be slaughtered by a sociopath with a Bushmaster. It is a tragedy that we grieve ever happened and we mourn for the loss of those babies. Billionaires are now called "job creators" and "small businessmen" when they outsource hundreds if not thousands of American jobs to China in order to increase dividends to stockholders who hold shares in a "small business" like Apple. And there are no more people in the American South or anywhere else in the country, for that matter, who hold racist views. The Civil Rights movement of the 60's magically morphed Bubba into Atticus Finch and the few remaining Bubba's hiding out in a swamp somewhere are merely scattered members of the lunatic "fringe." sent via a downed microwave tower on the Colorado Plateau
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Don't dither about the word entitlements, it's been using interchangeably in official government documents since the programs were conceived. It carries no hidden agenda, it's simply a syn·o·nym, not a sin-of-name.
As for the rest of your rant, you go girl.
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Sam, that was awesome.
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Seconded.
Ibs. I agree that racism (not the only form of discrimination as you know) is easier for WASPs to ignore. But you don't have to be a horse to judge a horse race.
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Alas, the term fell upon hard times when people began to use it as a pejorative: "Suzy thinks she'd entitled to get everything for free just because she has some sob story." or "Black people need to get rid of their sense of entitlement and go find a job like the rest of us." Poor old entitlement now resides in the inner city, uses food stamps and welfare, and produces a child every year by a different father at the expense of tax payers. Quote:
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A third kudos. Eloquently stated.
Political correctness is necessary when an ego overwhelms or displaces logical thought. IamSam is completely correct by having little patience with those who need things sugarcoated. Who may even deny their inability to cope with hard reality. Who will even post using insults, soundbytes, and cheapshots to defend emotional biases or racist attitudes. Such emotions is sufficient to deny reality when sugarcoating does not work. An emotional type will probably assume he has been labeled a racist rather grasp logic in that paragraph. Jumping to an emotional conclusion rather than read, grasp, or address the point. We know which party most attracts and condons racists. As demonstrated so bluntly during Sen Strom Thurmond's last birthday party. So we should call it a 'disagreement' or 'misconception'? Hell no. A racist needs political correctness; to even deny he is racist. Only political correctness or angry denial (similar concepts) will avert that reality. The most emotional who therefore hate or support extremist Republican positions with politically correct rhetoric will also post profanity rather than admit to biases. A sharp difference from moderate Republicans who are now under attack by their own party. Republican party (especially Tea Party) is popular among 'fringe' (ie hate) groups. And other disenfranchised members of society who have plenty of anger rather than a logical grasp. Fringe types will even post profanity rather than admit to a problem common to their poltiical peers. Profanity is desperation when politically correct (sugarcoated) spin is routinely challenged and exposed. Last edited by tw; 01-10-2013 at 09:09 PM. |
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