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Insurance companies by their very nature take in as much as they can and pay out as little as they can. So obviously they're skimming off significant portion of the money that goes into healthcare. That's their job: to make as much profit as they can for their shareholders and to continue to increase their profit levels, just like any company.
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Lot of information there UT. This was interesting "we [Americans] overpay by about $477 billion per year, or $1,645 per capita."
I'm surprised that the administrative and insurance costs appear so low on that chart. It's easy for me to blame the insurance companies, I don't want to have to give that up. Edit: Although if I'm reading the chart correctly, even though the biggest savings are not to be found in the insurance companies and administration, that is where the greatest rates of waste are located. According to this chart. |
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The chart is interesting in that it says there is only 15% waste in the public funding sector. Does that mean Medicare and Medicaid? Apparently those government programs are one of the areas that are not so bad.
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That is completely misleading. There are vast differences among the states.
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I read somewhere (???) that most states do relatively well with the medi- but states with huge cities do REALLY poorly. Can't find that link/article tho
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Differences in costs of Medicaid spending by state. Some are obvious, largely populated states will spend more. but when you compare them in the more compareable population centers there are vast differences. Why? Again, it is multifactorial.
http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comp...?ind=177&cat=4 Vast differences among the states programs accounts for many of cost differences. http://www.kff.org/medicaid/upload/T...ate-Survey.pdf An example of one states experiences with costs of Medicaid that also shows where the waste goes and the differences between the states: Quote:
The one thing that the article does not show is that Medicaid pays the least amount of all insurance programs and I think it encourages providers and organizations to attempt to recoup costs by ordering many more tests than they would on a cash paying patient or one with insurance.
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House Health-Care Bill to Include $600 Billion in Tax Increases
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Remember how I said the politico's are in bed with the healthcare industry?
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Actually, if you spend some time tooling around the Senate website, they're ALL basically owned by big pharma.
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The system we have isn't perfect. We all agree on that. But to me, to dismantle it and replace it with a system that is a complete unknown without a VERY SPECIFIC design (which we are not getting now) It will more than likely be worse and cost more, much much more - especially in a recession.
This is very unwise and is a dangerous proposal. Why are we rushing into this? I think we should take care and study the alternatives very carefully. I agree to we should do something, but increasing the number of insured by as much as 25% and reducing the overall task is and extremely daunting task, if not impossible. We all know far too well how inefficient our government is. To mandate coverage to private industry makes no sense. The government has never run a profitable enterprise - EVER. Therefore it is crystal clear how this ambitious new plan will be payed for - tax increases. To even consider it ignores that reality.
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Think of it this way: if an illegal immigrant comes into an ER without insurance, and it is law that you must have a basic minimum of health coverage, then now that issue can be addressed in a legal fashion. No more people (of any immigration/citizen status) using the ER as a revolving door free clinic. |
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