Immigration - Page 11

9th Engineer · 07-10-2006, 12:36 PM

Hmmmm, kind of hard to call European immigrants 'illegal' when that term is dependant on a preexisting structure of laws and an actual country to make them, neither of which were here when they arrived.

bluecuracao · 07-10-2006, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

Hmmmm, kind of hard to call European immigrants 'illegal' when that term is dependant on a preexisting structure of laws and an actual country to make them, neither of which were here when they arrived.

Oh my goodness, you are very wrong. There most certainly were governments on this land pre-European migration. The current U.S. government system is based on one of them. Europeans were welcomed by some (i.e. given "legal" status), and rejected by others (therefore, "illegal"). Some were initially accepted, then rejected, and vice-versa. As we can all see, the tradition of rejecting/accepting perceived outsiders has continued throughout U.S. history, up to the present time.

07-10-2006, 04:36 PM

Yes , the Pilgrim Fathers were treated kindly by the Native Americans , in fact their lives were saved by the Native Americans who helped them through that first awful winter . I believe that your Thanksgiving festival is based on this kindness .

And then the Native Americans were rejected .

Is that what you meant by acceptance and rejection , bluecuracao ?

Griff · 07-10-2006, 05:24 PM

The League of the Iroquois for instance.

bluecuracao · 07-10-2006, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddug

Yes , the Pilgrim Fathers were treated kindly by the Native Americans , in fact their lives were saved by the Native Americans who helped them through that first awful winter . I believe that your Thanksgiving festival is based on this kindness .

And then the Native Americans were rejected .

Is that what you meant by acceptance and rejection , bluecuracao ?

No, I talking about Europeans; but you're right, Native Central and South Americans are many of the ones being rejected right now.

07-10-2006, 01:04 PM

So , am I right in thinking that one should win ( by whatever means possible) and THEN write the rules , 9th Engineer ?

Happy Monkey · 07-10-2006, 02:23 PM

And if a rule is inconvenient (ie a treaty giving the natives some land that turns out to be valuable after all), you just ignore it.

wolf · 07-12-2006, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

And if a rule is inconvenient (ie a treaty giving the natives some land that turns out to be valuable after all), you just ignore it.

If you don't like it, you are welcome to try to return to the land of your European foreparents. They probably don't want you, as a number of discouraged liberals found out in 2004.

07-10-2006, 03:03 PM

Hey , Happy Monkey ! If it works , don't fix it !

Pie · 07-10-2006, 03:50 PM

The only rule that matters: Take what you want, screw the other guy.

07-10-2006, 05:38 PM

Illegal is illegal. We can't accept everyone, all the time.
It ain't hard.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-10-2006, 10:53 PM

We're still accepting more than any other country in the World.

07-12-2006, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

We're still accepting more than any other country in the World.

Exactly, and they still bitch. As always, those who give the most get griped at the most.

bluecuracao · 07-13-2006, 04:52 PM

Who's bitchin'?

Happy Monkey · 07-12-2006, 11:49 AM

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make or refute there. You like illegal immigration?

07-10-2006, 12:36 PM	#1
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	Hmmmm, kind of hard to call European immigrants 'illegal' when that term is dependant on a preexisting structure of laws and an actual country to make them, neither of which were here when they arrived. __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

07-10-2006, 05:24 PM	#4
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	The League of the Iroquois for instance. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

07-10-2006, 02:23 PM	#7
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	And if a rule is inconvenient (ie a treaty giving the natives some land that turns out to be valuable after all), you just ignore it. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

07-10-2006, 03:50 PM	#10
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	The only rule that matters: Take what you want, screw the other guy. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

07-10-2006, 10:53 PM	#12
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	We're still accepting more than any other country in the World. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-10-2006, 04:36 PM	#3
Buddug Guest Posts: n/a	Yes , the Pilgrim Fathers were treated kindly by the Native Americans , in fact their lives were saved by the Native Americans who helped them through that first awful winter . I believe that your Thanksgiving festival is based on this kindness . And then the Native Americans were rejected . Is that what you meant by acceptance and rejection , bluecuracao ?

07-10-2006, 01:04 PM	#6
Buddug Guest Posts: n/a	So , am I right in thinking that one should win ( by whatever means possible) and THEN write the rules , 9th Engineer ?

07-10-2006, 03:03 PM	#9
Buddug Guest Posts: n/a	Hey , Happy Monkey ! If it works , don't fix it !

07-10-2006, 05:38 PM	#11
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Illegal is illegal. We can't accept everyone, all the time. It ain't hard.

07-13-2006, 04:52 PM	#14
bluecuracao in a mood, not cupcake Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,034	Who's bitchin'?

07-12-2006, 11:49 AM	#15
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	I'm not sure what point you're trying to make or refute there. You like illegal immigration? __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

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