The New "Tolerance" - Page 11

Pie · 07-03-2006, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

Joining special clubs won't benefit you in any way

No benefits? Joining AAA got me discounts on oil changes...

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Originally Posted by Flint

other than the completely selfish, superficial, and worldly way that the plumber with a fish on his van hopes to get more business.

...Oh, nevermind. Carry on.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-03-2006, 11:24 PM

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In the days of the ancients, astrology and astronomy were a singular principle science and no king or ruler was without the counsel of the stars.

Nancy Reagan.

07-03-2006, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pie

No benefits? Joining AAA got me discounts on oil changes...

...Oh, nevermind. Carry on.

Don't forget free maps, trip-tix, food & hotel discounts, and free money orders, as well as the life experience of dealing with their terrible service.
That helps you immeasurably, right?

Flint · 07-03-2006, 01:20 PM

They don't make a "Calvin pissing on the Constitution" decal ???

PizzaMonkey · 07-03-2006, 04:14 PM

This is exactly what I'm talking about. The image of jerky, overly-stubborn Christians has become so common that people think that that's all there is. Look at any real church and you will not see an over sized cult, you will see caring people who aren't afraid to not agree with what everyone else says about God, morals, and the world.

Flint · 07-03-2006, 04:34 PM

I'm not talking about stereotypes, I'm talking about reality. This "real church" you refer to is "the way church should be" - I am talking about the way church is.

I see "caring people who aren't afraid to not agree with what everyone else says about God, morals, and the world" all the time, and strangely they accomplish this without feeling the need to band together as a specific group defined by a system of strictly-defined homogenous beliefs, the flipside of which is eternal damnation.

Ibby · 07-03-2006, 08:24 PM

I went to Methodist church for years, years ago, and personally I found them pretty agreeable. If you're gonna deal with christians, at least try to make sure theyre methodist.

Griff · 07-04-2006, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

I went to Methodist church for years, years ago, and personally I found them pretty agreeable. If you're gonna deal with christians, at least try to make sure theyre methodist.

I generally like Methodists as well, but GWB is a Methodist. It is all in how the actual members of your local church operate.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-04-2006, 11:18 AM

The agreeably of a particular church is a reflection of the agreeably of the people that make up that church's congregation.

Kitsune · 07-04-2006, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

The agreeably of a particular church is a reflection of the agreeably of the people that make up that church's congregation.

Which has a greater influence: The congregation on the church or the church on the congregation? The answer I have in my head is what always made me fearful.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-04-2006, 08:55 PM

Where I grew up, the church reflected the community. They interview and hire a preacher, if he rubs them the wrong way they can him.

Flint · 07-05-2006, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

I went to Methodist church for years, years ago, and personally I found them pretty agreeable. If you're gonna deal with christians, at least try to make sure theyre methodist.

"I want rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shit-kickers and Methodists."

Flint · 07-05-2006, 02:07 PM

Anyone who claims that encouraging people to be good is not the purpose of religion, is hopeless. If it doesn't have that purpose then you are truly missing the point. If it doesn't have that purpose then what purpose has it? (I know, I know, there are some fabulously contrived and convoluted responses to that - but you have to memorize them by rote, as they make no sense and accomplish nothing)

Pie · 07-05-2006, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

Anyone who claims that encouraging people to be good is not the purpose of religion, is hopeless. [...]If it doesn't have that purpose then what purpose has it?

It explains how we got in this handbasket?

See many of the theory-of-creation myths, like this one:

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Aztec

The mother of the Aztec creation story was called Coatlique (the Lady of the Skirt of Snakes). She was created in the image of the unknown, decorated with skulls, snakes, and lacerated hands. There are no cracks in her body and she is a perfect monolith (a totality of intensity and self-containment, yet her features were square and decapitated).

Coatlique was first impregnated by an obsidian knife and gave birth to Coyolxanuhqui, goddess of the moon, and to a group of male offspring, who became the stars. Then one day Coatlique found a ball of feathers, which she tucked into her bosom. When she looked for it later, it was gone, at which time she realized that she was again pregnant. Her children, the moon and stars did not believe her story. Ashamed of their mother, they resolved to kill her. A goddess could only give birth once, to the original litter of divinity and no more. During the time that they were plotting her demise, Coatlique gave birth to the fiery god of war, Huitzilopochtli. With the help of a fire serpent, he destroyed his brothers and sister, murdering them in a rage. He beheaded Coyolxauhqui and threw her body into a deep gorge in a mountain, where it lies dismembered forever. The natural cosmos of the Indians was born of catastrophe. The heavens literally crumbled to pieces. The earth mother fell and was fertilized, while her children were torn apart by fratricide and then scattered and disjointed throughout the universe.

I see no exhortations to "be good".

wolf · 07-06-2006, 01:08 AM

If the Aztec Gods had names that you could pronouce, The Aztecs probably would have been able to defeat the Conquistadores. By the time you offer a prayer to Lord Feathered Serpent, Quetzacoatl, asking for strength in battle, you've got a Spanish war lance through your navel and out your back.

07-03-2006, 01:20 PM	#4
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	They don't make a "Calvin pissing on the Constitution" decal ??? __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

07-03-2006, 04:14 PM	#5
PizzaMonkey Will my Title ever stop changing? Oh, I guess it has now... Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 70	This is exactly what I'm talking about. The image of jerky, overly-stubborn Christians has become so common that people think that that's all there is. Look at any real church and you will not see an over sized cult, you will see caring people who aren't afraid to not agree with what everyone else says about God, morals, and the world. __________________ The law is an ass. ~Charles Dickens

07-03-2006, 04:34 PM	#6
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I'm not talking about stereotypes, I'm talking about reality. This "real church" you refer to is "the way church should be" - I am talking about the way church is. I see "caring people who aren't afraid to not agree with what everyone else says about God, morals, and the world" all the time, and strangely they accomplish this without feeling the need to band together as a specific group defined by a system of strictly-defined homogenous beliefs, the flipside of which is eternal damnation. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

07-03-2006, 08:24 PM	#7
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	I went to Methodist church for years, years ago, and personally I found them pretty agreeable. If you're gonna deal with christians, at least try to make sure theyre methodist. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

07-04-2006, 11:18 AM	#9
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	The agreeably of a particular church is a reflection of the agreeably of the people that make up that church's congregation. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-04-2006, 08:55 PM	#11
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Where I grew up, the church reflected the community. They interview and hire a preacher, if he rubs them the wrong way they can him. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-05-2006, 02:07 PM	#13
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Anyone who claims that encouraging people to be good is not the purpose of religion, is hopeless. If it doesn't have that purpose then you are truly missing the point. If it doesn't have that purpose then what purpose has it? (I know, I know, there are some fabulously contrived and convoluted responses to that - but you have to memorize them by rote, as they make no sense and accomplish nothing) __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

07-06-2006, 01:08 AM	#15
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	If the Aztec Gods had names that you could pronouce, The Aztecs probably would have been able to defeat the Conquistadores. By the time you offer a prayer to Lord Feathered Serpent, Quetzacoatl, asking for strength in battle, you've got a Spanish war lance through your navel and out your back. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

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