Do You Own a Gun?

[Kitsune]

Originally Posted by Phil

I wasnt suggesting one law for both countries, and i agree there are different cultures, but its blatantly obvious that something has to be done to curb gun related deaths in the US. how its done is of course up to your citizens and politicians.

Well, you suggested that gun control works for the UK. What do you suggest for the US?

Originally Posted by Phil

youre all too scared to even demonstrate against your governments, and you cant say "suicide" on TV.

That source you're getting your information from? Yeah, you might want to consider changing it. I have no idea where you're getting the "can't say 'suicide'" bit, either. Are you just making stuff up?

Originally Posted by Phil

America is paranois as fuck

Funny. In the US, we consider these actions to be "paranoid as fuck".

[Beestie]

Originally Posted by Kitsune

Funny. In the US, we consider these actions to be "paranoid as fuck".

In America, we have a car in every garage. In jolly old England they have a camera up every bunghole.

Besides I think the country that bans any object that might frighten a little old lady need not lecture the US about paranoia.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Phil

Uk had 54 gun related deaths last year. gun control does work, its just that America is paranois as fuck, just because you have an old piece of paper that says you have the right to bear arms doesnt mean you should.

The UK has a much higher rate of violent crime than does America. They have more rape, assault, etc.

[Phil]

Originally Posted by Radar

The UK has a much higher rate of violent crime than does America. They have more rape, assault, etc.

source?

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Phil

source?

http://www.reason.com/news/show/28582.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1440764.stm

http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pb...702280473/1029

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=21902

[Beestie]

Originally Posted by Phil

Uk had 54 gun related deaths last year. gun control does work, its just that America is paranois as fuck, just because you have an old piece of paper that says you have the right to bear arms doesnt mean you should.

Gun control won't work here because we won't stand for Nanny State control. You guys can't even take a dump without the Old Hag sifting through it for untaxed wealth. Your a) failure to understand why gun control won't work in the states; b) your willingness to live your life under suffocating government control a tenth of which would lead to anarchy if imposed in the states explains c) why you so disdainfully and disrespectfully refer to our Constitution as an old peice of paper.

What do you have that's better? Difficulty: no crusty old hags wearing perfume that costs more than you make in a year.

[Phil]

Originally Posted by Beestie

Gun control won't work here because we won't stand for Nanny State control. You guys can't even take a dump without the Old Hag sifting through it for untaxed wealth. Your a) failure to understand why gun control won't work in the states; b) your willingness to live your life under suffocating government control a tenth of which would lead to anarchy if imposed in the states explains c) why you so disdainfully and disrespectfully refer to our Constitution as an old peice of paper.

What do you have that's better? Difficulty: no crusty old hags wearing perfume that costs more than you make in a year.

keep repeating "we are free! we are free!".
youre all too scared to even demonstrate against your governments, and you cant say "suicide" on TV.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Phil

youre all too scared to even demonstrate against your governments, and you cant say "suicide" on TV.

Source?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Phil

its just that America is paranois as fuck, just because you have an old piece of paper that says you have the right to bear arms doesnt mean you should.

HA!


Good point. I say we ship them all to the IRA.

[Clodfobble]

Spexx, think about it this way.

If you found a small, isolated culture in the jungle where it was the societal norm to sacrifice two dozen children each year in a very long, painful ritual, would you consider that wrong? Do those children have a "right" to life that supersedes their society's agreed-upon behaviors?

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Spexx, think about it this way.

If you found a small, isolated culture in the jungle where it was the societal norm to sacrifice two dozen children each year in a very long, painful ritual, would you consider that wrong? Do those children have a "right" to life that supersedes their society's agreed-upon behaviors?

You're asking me how I feel about those rights. Sure, I feel that it's wrong. But if rights tangible, objective "things" that we have when we are born, wouldn't the people in the tribe feel the same way that I do? The fact that they don't feel this way supports the concept that rights are not objective or universal, they are societal conventions. Sorry, I disagree with you.

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

You're asking me how I feel about those rights. Sure, I feel that it's wrong. But if rights tangible, objective "things" that we have when we are born, wouldn't the people in the tribe feel the same way that I do? The fact that they don't feel this way supports the concept that rights are not objective or universal, they are societal conventions. Sorry, I disagree with you.

I'm not sure I've said anything for you to disagree with yet. For the record, calling natural rights "tangible" and "palpable" is pretty semantically wrong, as far as I'm concerned.

But forget about Radar for a second, I'm asking you about the jungle people who sacrifice kids. Why do you feel that it's wrong for them to sacrifice the children? Is it only because it would be wrong in your society? Do you recognize the right of the jungle society to sacrifice their children if that's what they've agreed to do, or would you try to make them stop the practice?

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

...But forget about Radar for a second, I'm asking you about the jungle people who sacrifice kids. Why do you feel that it's wrong for them to sacrifice the children? Is it only because it would be wrong in your society? Do you recognize the right of the jungle society to sacrifice their children if that's what they've agreed to do, or would you try to make them stop the practice?

I feel it's wrong because that's the way the society in which I was raised feels. I would not try to change them anymore than I would allow them to change me to their way of thinking.

I maintain that if left alone, unsocialized, we would not hesitate to kill one another in order to eat and procreate. Think about how a three year old acts. If another kid has a toy that he wants, he'll walk over and bop the kid and take the toy.

[piercehawkeye45]

I am a very strong believer in sociological forces.

For example, if you give me 20 babies I believe I can raise them to believe anything I want them too, with one or two expeptions for the "rebels". If you look throughout history you can find just about every practice as a norm that we find to be unethical. Most of our morals have been brought to us by the socity we live in. The only expections I can think of are practices that would wipe a community out, like sacrificing kids (that is not a shot at you Clod) or complete castration of males.

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Yep, nice insults from all. Thanks Rkz...though everyone thinks you're an ass I make a concerted effort to listen to you and give a shit.

I'm done with this place. You're not the nice people I once thought. Have a great time. Luckily I have a right to think you suck.

Everyone?
You think I suck? Hmmm. I've always liked you.
Ok, from now on, fuck off and don't discuss anything with me.
If you are a child and can't deal with someone who disagrees with you, I don't want to waste my time with you now.
More time for actual conversation.
Can't see humor for what it is you are not worth it.