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6sickchix · 02-15-2005, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brianna

IT's WRONG to have sex with children.

What is your reasoning for this? I'm not saying I think it's right; I just want to hear a reason (besides "it just is") why it's wrong.

OnyxCougar · 02-15-2005, 01:47 PM

Having sex with a 12 year old is WRONG. I don't care how long they are together.

Elspode · 02-15-2005, 03:50 PM

It is illegal, and it is wrong. But that doesn't really answer the question of the validity of their present relationship.

This is a damn twisted, and damned interesting set of circumstances.

Trilby · 02-15-2005, 03:59 PM

Imagine if the situation were reversed-a man coming out of prison marrys the woman he raped while she was a girl-the shit storm that would be! I read a newspaper article where a friend of the family says how it's "long overdo" and how great it will be to see them "finally get hitched"-! Tainted love indeed.

Trilby · 02-15-2005, 05:02 PM

Children are not mentally, physically or spiritually prepared to have sex. They are immature beings. An person who has little experience with the world, a person who's brain is still growing, forming new neural pathways related to experience, cannot give consent to something like sex. That is why we don't let children own guns, vote, drink alcohol or sign legally binding contracts. They DO NOT understand the ramifications of their actions. They are practicing who they are. To engage a child in sex interferes with their development as whole human beings. My son is a big kid-6'4" and 190 pounds. He may LOOK like a man, but he THINKS like a child. Wouldn't you agree that children THINK differently than adults? They live more in the "moment"? A child simply cannot give consent based upon their relative immaturity.

Undertoad · 02-15-2005, 05:18 PM

Drew and Adam used to say that it is taking advantage of and a violation of a certain trust between children and adults. And furthermore very much a trust relationship with a teacher involved. Children look to adults for appropriate behavior and depend on the supposedly-responsible adults to act in ways that do not prey on their weaknesses.

6sickchix · 02-15-2005, 05:18 PM

At what point does every child become an adult? 16? 18? 21? Is there a clearly defined line? I know some 17 year olds who are more mentally mature than 22 year olds I know. But, those 17 year olds cannot legally have sex with anyone over 17, at least in my state. Because they're not mentally capable. "Feel any different now that it's your 18th birthday?" "I feel mentally, spiritually, and emotionally capable of making decisions for myself!"

Trilby · 02-15-2005, 05:57 PM

Legally mature and true maturity are different things. Yes, some 17 year-olds are more mature than some 22 year-olds. Some 12 year-olds are more mature than some 42 year-olds. It still doesn't change the fact that children are experiencing the world differently than adults and to have sex with them is predatory. Period.

6sickchix · 02-15-2005, 06:21 PM

Do you feel it's right for the state to decide (aka making laws) when I person becomes a spiritual or emotional adult?

Happy Monkey · 02-15-2005, 06:36 PM

Without concrete definitions, laws cannot be applied equally. And 'equally' is as close as we can get to 'justly' in the real world.

richlevy · 02-15-2005, 07:32 PM

What about a mandatory ten year sentence for an 18-year-old having sex with a 15-year-old?

Happy Monkey · 02-15-2005, 07:37 PM

If you're asking me, I think the law should include an age difference requirement for statutory rape, as it does in many states.

Trilby · 02-15-2005, 07:52 PM

He wasn't in for 10 years. I bet we hear from this guy again.

OnyxCougar · 02-15-2005, 10:23 PM

Let me ask you a question, 6. It's of a personal nature.

You're 24 now, if your profile is correct.
At what age did you first have sex?
Was it consentual?
How old was the other party?

How is this different in your mind from a teacher who sexually molests a student?
How can a 12 year old know what they are getting into? A 12 year old is generally in the FIFTH grade!!

Imagine you have a child in the 5th grade.
You're saying it's ok for the teacher to have sex with your child as long as they end up married for 30 years?

Troubleshooter · 02-16-2005, 08:44 AM

I think comparing then and now is a bad idea.

02-15-2005, 01:47 PM	#2
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	Having sex with a 12 year old is WRONG. I don't care how long they are together. __________________ Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt. "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

02-15-2005, 03:50 PM	#3
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	It is illegal, and it is wrong. But that doesn't really answer the question of the validity of their present relationship. This is a damn twisted, and damned interesting set of circumstances. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

02-15-2005, 03:59 PM	#4
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Imagine if the situation were reversed-a man coming out of prison marrys the woman he raped while she was a girl-the shit storm that would be! I read a newspaper article where a friend of the family says how it's "long overdo" and how great it will be to see them "finally get hitched"-! Tainted love indeed. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

02-15-2005, 05:02 PM	#5
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Children are not mentally, physically or spiritually prepared to have sex. They are immature beings. An person who has little experience with the world, a person who's brain is still growing, forming new neural pathways related to experience, cannot give consent to something like sex. That is why we don't let children own guns, vote, drink alcohol or sign legally binding contracts. They DO NOT understand the ramifications of their actions. They are practicing who they are. To engage a child in sex interferes with their development as whole human beings. My son is a big kid-6'4" and 190 pounds. He may LOOK like a man, but he THINKS like a child. Wouldn't you agree that children THINK differently than adults? They live more in the "moment"? A child simply cannot give consent based upon their relative immaturity. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

02-15-2005, 05:57 PM	#8
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Legally mature and true maturity are different things. Yes, some 17 year-olds are more mature than some 22 year-olds. Some 12 year-olds are more mature than some 42 year-olds. It still doesn't change the fact that children are experiencing the world differently than adults and to have sex with them is predatory. Period. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

02-15-2005, 05:18 PM	#6
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Drew and Adam used to say that it is taking advantage of and a violation of a certain trust between children and adults. And furthermore very much a trust relationship with a teacher involved. Children look to adults for appropriate behavior and depend on the supposedly-responsible adults to act in ways that do not prey on their weaknesses.

02-15-2005, 05:18 PM	#7
6sickchix pirate amish radio Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 24	At what point does every child become an adult? 16? 18? 21? Is there a clearly defined line? I know some 17 year olds who are more mentally mature than 22 year olds I know. But, those 17 year olds cannot legally have sex with anyone over 17, at least in my state. Because they're not mentally capable. "Feel any different now that it's your 18th birthday?" "I feel mentally, spiritually, and emotionally capable of making decisions for myself!"

02-15-2005, 06:21 PM	#9
6sickchix pirate amish radio Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 24	Do you feel it's right for the state to decide (aka making laws) when I person becomes a spiritual or emotional adult?

02-15-2005, 06:36 PM	#10
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Without concrete definitions, laws cannot be applied equally. And 'equally' is as close as we can get to 'justly' in the real world. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

02-15-2005, 07:32 PM	#11
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	What about a mandatory ten year sentence for an 18-year-old having sex with a 15-year-old? __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

02-15-2005, 07:37 PM	#12
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	If you're asking me, I think the law should include an age difference requirement for statutory rape, as it does in many states. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

02-15-2005, 07:52 PM	#13
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	He wasn't in for 10 years. I bet we hear from this guy again. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

02-15-2005, 10:23 PM	#14
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	Let me ask you a question, 6. It's of a personal nature. You're 24 now, if your profile is correct. At what age did you first have sex? Was it consentual? How old was the other party? How is this different in your mind from a teacher who sexually molests a student? How can a 12 year old know what they are getting into? A 12 year old is generally in the FIFTH grade!! Imagine you have a child in the 5th grade. You're saying it's ok for the teacher to have sex with your child as long as they end up married for 30 years? __________________ Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt. "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

02-16-2005, 08:44 AM	#15
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	I think comparing then and now is a bad idea. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

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