Middle East erupts - Page 12

Urbane Guerrilla · 08-14-2006, 02:43 AM

Once again, tw is unable to support the democracy that's in the battle, and sides with the anti-democracy, by what seems to be emotional preference. Commie much? Definitely scummy.

Ibby · 08-14-2006, 02:45 AM

tw has information, facts, statistics to back up what he's saying.

YOU have... McCarthian anti-leftism? "He's leaning towards the left! He must be a commie!"

Urbane Guerrilla · 08-14-2006, 03:06 AM

Ibram, you'll find that his notions of what is fact, and what is righteous, are heavily influenced by his documentably communist beliefs. They are all over his writings, and evident in what he opposes and in what he supports. He makes no denial of being a communist -- he knows I've got his number too well.

He can't spell or edit. He particularly cannot get foreign terms correct. He handles written English like someone not born to it, as is particularly evidenced in the absence of articles. This is not someone to respect.

It's not that he leans towards the left so far as to be horizontal; it's that communists are going to fight with me anyway. They don't want to answer for the butcher's bill their habitual genocides have run up over the past ninety years. Between forty-one million and upwards of one hundred million folks killed off that don't seem to have particularly done anything to make them need killing tells me I'm right to tell tw where to get off and stay off. Check out the Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership sometime -- they can give good information on the lethal habits of the un-democracies.

Sen. McCarthy had a brain tumor. I don't.

DanaC · 08-15-2006, 04:27 AM

UG wrote:

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He can't spell or edit. He particularly cannot get foreign terms correct. He handles written English like someone not born to it, as is particularly evidenced in the absence of articles. This is not someone to respect.

I am finding it hard to know just where to begin on this one. It does say a lot though doesn't it?

WabUfvot5 · 08-14-2006, 04:34 AM

Just for the sake of making a good argument UG, if tw is so wrong you should be able to debunk him easier without insinuating anything about communism whatsoever.

Urbane Guerrilla · 08-14-2006, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jebediah

Just for the sake of making a good argument UG, if tw is so wrong you should be able to debunk him easier without insinuating anything about communism whatsoever.

Jeb, the short answer is that aside from his having the kind of emotionally immature personality the Left attracts -- I've seen it elsewhere -- the man's communism is the fundamental cause of him being wrong. I insinuate nothing: j'accuse.

Ibby · 08-14-2006, 07:19 AM

I dont agree with everything he says, maybe not even the majority of what he says, but you give nothing for me to agree or disagree with. All you do is spout off bullshit about how "communists are going to fight with me anyway" (meaning that anyone who fights with you is a commie?) and that only a communist could possibly think the US is wrong in any way.

Did you know that back in the cold war, being gay used by the McCarthyists as proof of liberalism and therefore communism?

And I'm not even going to start on that little anticommunist rant of yours. I'm definitely not going to defend the communist regimes, but what the FUCK does that have to do with the Israel/Lebanon conflict?

To sum up, so you can't bullshit out of this one like you did with your last post...
TW IS NOT A COMMUNIST, capitalized for effect.
Show me a SINGLE thing tw has said that is remotely communist. Prove it, like you completely failed to do with your useless 'tw is a communist!!!!11!one!!!eleven' thread.

...tool.

Urbane Guerrilla · 08-15-2006, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

All you do is spout off bullshit about how "communists are going to fight with me anyway" (meaning that anyone who fights with you is a commie?) and that only a communist could possibly think the US is wrong in any way.

Don't try indulging in ignorant caricature -- I end up bending the people who try it over a picket fence and sandbagging them. They end up being made fools of. It is not, after all, necessary to be a communist to "disagree" with us, but it's extremely likely that communists/socialists will do that, because our libertarian sort of social order is a standing reproach to their markedly poorer and visibly inferior approach to just plain life, let alone prosperity. It is routine for communists to rail against the best capitalist example, and it is equally routine for communists to desire that we be defeated. Has tw at any time evinced a desire that we, the democracy, win? AFAIK he hasn't. Tw's behavior is remarkably consistent in this regard.

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And I'm not even going to start on that little anticommunist rant of yours. I'm definitely not going to defend the communist regimes, but what the FUCK does that have to do with the Israel/Lebanon conflict?

This is a reasonably fair question, but I am surprised you don't see the connection. Socialism is -- what? -- communism dilute? Both are collectivist, right? Is there even any particular line with distinctively pure socialism on one side, and a pure communism on the other? It is also my experience that totalitarianisms are more alike than they are different. They exist to oppress; the good thing about democracies is that they aren't in the oppression business. Add secure property rights to a democratic social order and you've got something no totalitarian society can match: mighty wealth, nurtured in a society congenial to it, which is not seen under the rule of an oppressor. In Israel/Lebanon we have a battle between the socialist Ba'ath ruling party of Syria and the oppressive regime of mullahs in Iran on one side and the most successful and established democracy anywhere in the Middle East on the other.

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To sum up, so you can't bullshit out of this one like you did with your last post...
TW IS NOT A COMMUNIST, capitalized for effect.
Show me a SINGLE thing tw has said that is remotely communist. Prove it, like you completely failed to do with your useless 'tw is a communist!!!!11!one!!!eleven' thread.

Capitalized to demonstrate your inability to recognize a devoted communist, you mean, Ibbie. Sorry, not impressed. Your education has a huge hole in it. For the proof of tw's communist views, you need only to do two easy things -- okay, fairly easy: recall every communist propaganda trope you've ever heard or heard of, even if you have to research them first, and see if you can find them in what tw writes. If he's not a communist, he does an incredibly precise imitation of one. Communist takes on world history pop up in his historical comments all the time -- he's a mess on Vietnam, being visibly happy our cause was lost. At first I thought tw was simply irrational, but when he invoked that popular communist boogeyman Pinochet -- as a boogeyman -- there was my first clue. Then I saw all the other left/communist stuff sprinkled through his posts and the lightbulb came on. I've remarked in the thread you refer to that he makes no denial to any effect of my findings -- he knows he's a communist too, and his last shreds of personal integrity cause him to tacitly admit that. You can't have personal integrity and communism at the same time -- either it will drive you nuts or the other communists will shoot you.

Communism has no understanding of human nature or of economics, as its record of grandiose failure shows. It was the work of a crank, and it produced, apparently inherently, only waste. Communism itself being without worth, what does that make the communists?

It makes them something to avoid, or better, to destroy. Absent any other brand of totalitarianism, the anti-Communist is in my experience the pro-Human. I urge all of us to be pro-Human. Some, alas, will not respond to this call, perhaps because they imagine me to be anti-human or something.

Happy Monkey · 08-15-2006, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Don't try indulging in ignorant caricature -- I end up bending the people who try it over a picket fence and sandbagging them. They end up being made fools of.

Note to any new readers: None of the above is actually true.

Hippikos · 08-14-2006, 07:38 AM

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Did you know that back in the cold war, being gay used by the McCarthyists as proof of liberalism and therefore communism?

Not anymore?

Ibby · 08-14-2006, 07:46 AM

No, but UG's argument that being liberal and not agreeing with him equalling communism is just as ridiculous.

Hippikos · 08-14-2006, 08:15 AM

Ah... them naughty pinkoliberalcommietreehuggin bastards...

Undertoad · 08-14-2006, 09:39 AM

If the cease-fire doesn't hold, whose fault will it be: Israel's, or the US? Time to pay attention, and keep your scorecards handy.

Times (UK)

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TODAY was supposed to be the day when the much maligned army of Lebanon took control of its borders and policed the UN ceasefire.

Instead, its military commanders were left humiliated and its troops stranded as Hezbollah told them not to try to disarm its fighters.

The first infantry units were preparing to head south yesterday when Hezbollah demonstrated who exercised the real control by announcing that it had no intention of surrendering a single weapon.

MaggieL · 08-14-2006, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

If the cease-fire doesn't hold, whose fault will it be: Israel's, or the US? Time to pay attention, and keep your scorecards handy.

Well this morning the French announced they would not disarm Hezbullah by force, so I guess we know what to expect.

Trilby · 08-14-2006, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

the French announced they would not disarm Hezbullah by force

This is a surprise?

08-14-2006, 02:43 AM	#1
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Once again, tw is unable to support the democracy that's in the battle, and sides with the anti-democracy, by what seems to be emotional preference. Commie much? Definitely scummy. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

08-14-2006, 02:45 AM	#2
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	tw has information, facts, statistics to back up what he's saying. YOU have... McCarthian anti-leftism? "He's leaning towards the left! He must be a commie!" __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

08-14-2006, 03:06 AM	#3
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Ibram, you'll find that his notions of what is fact, and what is righteous, are heavily influenced by his documentably communist beliefs. They are all over his writings, and evident in what he opposes and in what he supports. He makes no denial of being a communist -- he knows I've got his number too well. He can't spell or edit. He particularly cannot get foreign terms correct. He handles written English like someone not born to it, as is particularly evidenced in the absence of articles. This is not someone to respect. It's not that he leans towards the left so far as to be horizontal; it's that communists are going to fight with me anyway. They don't want to answer for the butcher's bill their habitual genocides have run up over the past ninety years. Between forty-one million and upwards of one hundred million folks killed off that don't seem to have particularly done anything to make them need killing tells me I'm right to tell tw where to get off and stay off. Check out the Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership sometime -- they can give good information on the lethal habits of the un-democracies. Sen. McCarthy had a brain tumor. I don't. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

08-14-2006, 07:19 AM	#7
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	I dont agree with everything he says, maybe not even the majority of what he says, but you give nothing for me to agree or disagree with. All you do is spout off bullshit about how "communists are going to fight with me anyway" (meaning that anyone who fights with you is a commie?) and that only a communist could possibly think the US is wrong in any way. Did you know that back in the cold war, being gay used by the McCarthyists as proof of liberalism and therefore communism? And I'm not even going to start on that little anticommunist rant of yours. I'm definitely not going to defend the communist regimes, but what the FUCK does that have to do with the Israel/Lebanon conflict? To sum up, so you can't bullshit out of this one like you did with your last post... TW IS NOT A COMMUNIST, capitalized for effect. Show me a SINGLE thing tw has said that is remotely communist. Prove it, like you completely failed to do with your useless 'tw is a communist!!!!11!one!!!eleven' thread. ...tool. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

08-14-2006, 07:46 AM	#11
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	No, but UG's argument that being liberal and not agreeing with him equalling communism is just as ridiculous. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

08-14-2006, 04:34 AM	#5
WabUfvot5 Operations Operative Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 634	Just for the sake of making a good argument UG, if tw is so wrong you should be able to debunk him easier without insinuating anything about communism whatsoever.

08-14-2006, 08:15 AM	#12
Hippikos Flocci Non Facio Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In The Line Of Fire Posts: 571	Ah... them naughty pinkoliberalcommietreehuggin bastards... __________________ Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.

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