Times are tough all over

[Shawnee123]

Sorry if I don't believe you...

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Sorry if I don't believe you...

What don't you believe, that the productive taxpayers are the ones who pay for those programs? Where does the money come from then?

[Shawnee123]

At that rate, it'll take years to finish.

[xoxoxoBruce]

If you got the booty, honey, I got the time.

[Pico and ME]

Im confused....my husband makes just over 60,000 grand and we never see negative taxes. Are we doing something wrong????

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Pico and ME

Im confused....my husband makes just over 60,000 grand and we never see negative taxes. Are we doing something wrong????

No. The system is broken. If you make squat, you actually make money on the tax system. The harder you work, the more you pay, and the bigger the bite the system (gov) takes. That is the problem with a tiered system. If we all pay the same percent, flat tax, and do away with the deductions then the playing field would be leveled. If you make 20k a year you pay x% if you make 400k, you pay the same x%. That would be fair.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Pico and ME

Im confused....my husband makes just over $60,000 grand and we never see negative taxes. Are we doing something wrong????

Yes, you aren't cheating the system.

Originally Posted by smoothmoniker

Ditto. I make in the mid-high 100k range, and because most of it is self-employed income, my annual tax nut is around 40k.
I get viciously angry when people assume that once people have reached some arbitrary income point, they are no longer "earning it", and therefore its perfectly fine to take away their income to redistribute it elsewhere.

I pay a metric assload of taxes, and I pay it out of money that I earn, and because there's no withholding on my paychecks, I'm the one who actually writes the check to the IRS and feels the kick in the balls every time.

Exactly - oh and you pay the full boat too, correct? No employer contribution right?

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

No. The system is broken. If you make squat, you actually make money on the tax system. The harder you work, the more you pay, and the bigger the bite the system (gov) takes. That is the problem with a tiered system. If we all pay the same percent, flat tax, and do away with the deductions then the playing field would be leveled. If you make 20k a year you pay x% if you make 400k, you pay the same x%. That would be fair.

That would eliminate so much bullshit too. It would avoid all the confusion the ambiguity ...all of it. I see no reason not to have a flat tax. I would alter the basement though. Tax liability starting at something way more than $20,000 but thats just me.

[classicman]

Dana, More than once my children have not quit on doing something or have taken on more than they should have and yet they still achieved success. They never quit. When I have asked them why...they remind me of what I did when they were younger. They learned BY EXAMPLE. There is no substitute for that.

The price - yes a costly one for me... the reward - priceless.

[Sundae]

I'll bet you every country has approximately the same percentage of people who could work but don't.

I think work ethics come across in parent's attitude and example, whatever other help they have been offered. I was raised within the Welfare State, which to US eyes should have encouraged everyone of my generation to be a deadbeat scrounger. We're not. The majority of people will always want the freedom of making their own way through life.

You brought your children up in what I see as a we-might-rescue-you-when-you-have-nothing-left system (my bias and I admit it) but they learned the same work ethic I did. And you are probably their hero the same way my Daddy is mine, except you have more money.

If you love your children you will prepare them for the future, whether that means setting them to pick rubbish at 10 years old, working to earn money for them, or taking shifts so you barely see your wife for the best part of ten years. And you take what you feel is your due, whether it's the patch of earth your own father worked, food stamps that gall you or the free schooling that every family is offered.

[BigV]

A stupid rhetorical question is all a stupid rhetorical statement deserves.

[TheMercenary]

You can respond as you deem fit. I shall do the same, wtf, you think this is China or something?

[TheMercenary]

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[HungLikeJesus]

Tod: You know, Mrs. Buckman, you need a license to buy a dog, to drive a car - hell, you even need a license to catch a fish. But they'll let any butt-reaming asshole be a father.

[lookout123]

I'll say it again. 1% on every dollar earned up to $35,000. 15% on every dollar earned over $35,000. No loopholes, no credits, no deductions, no need to pay thousands of accountants, no need to pay thousands of IRS agents to go through audits line by line.

There's your income. Now start cutting expenses.
Medical care for illegals? nope, buh bye.
Education for illegals? nope, buh bye


Vastly increase the speed and ease for legal immigration while making the penalty for illegal immigration well and truly prohibitive.

Start counting the savings.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by lookout123

I'll say it again. 1% on every dollar earned up to $35,000. 15% on every dollar earned over $35,000. No loopholes, no credits, no deductions, no need to pay thousands of accountants, no need to pay thousands of IRS agents to go through audits line by line.

There's your income. Now start cutting expenses.
Medical care for illegals? nope, buh bye.
Education for illegals? nope, buh bye


Vastly increase the speed and ease for legal immigration while making the penalty for illegal immigration well and truly prohibitive.

Start counting the savings.

That's appealing. What do you consider income? Wages, I imagine. What about interest and dividends and capital gains? What about entitlements, like social security or survivor benefits and annuities from the government?