Wild West Politics? - Page 12

DanaC · 01-11-2011, 05:51 AM

You think the people waving banners calling for the murder of the cartoonist were 'mainstream'?

TheMercenary · 01-12-2011, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

You think the people waving banners calling for the murder of the cartoonist were 'mainstream'?

Not relevant, our Constitution does not apply world wide.

DanaC · 01-12-2011, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Not relevant, our Constitution does not apply world wide.

Right: firstly, I had misunderstood the 'mainstream' comment as being applied to the entire muslim diaspora, as opposed to their particular protest gathering.

Secondly, we were not just talking about constitutional rights, we were also talking about moral questions and the (admittedly very natural) tendency most of us (myself included) have to engage in a double standard when it comes to actions by our own people and actions by another people.

I'm not touching the rest of your comments in this thread with a ten foot fucking barge pole. If you cannot see the distinction between the 'blood libel' and the current dismay at particular politicians' highly questionable public activities, then we have nothing to talk about.

Undertoad · 01-11-2011, 07:23 AM

Of their particular group.

DanaC · 01-11-2011, 07:46 AM

ahhh sorry. Yes, ok, I'd go with that.

Undertoad · 01-11-2011, 08:40 AM

By the way, you won't read that Loughner is Schizophrenic anywhere but here. News won't say it because it's not an official diagnosis. Doctors won't publicly speculate, because they won't diagnose without personally seeing the patient. And even if he was diagnosed, that information would be protected by healthcare privacy laws. I'm saying it on the basis of stories from fellow students and teachers at his junior college, and his YouTube videos.

Pete Zicato · 01-11-2011, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

By the way, you won't read that Loughner is Schizophrenic anywhere but here. News won't say it because it's not an official diagnosis. Doctors won't publicly speculate, because they won't diagnose without personally seeing the patient. And even if he was diagnosed, that information would be protected by healthcare privacy laws. I'm saying it on the basis of stories from fellow students and teachers at his junior college, and his YouTube videos.

From the Washington Times story I linked.

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"There's a likelihood he [Loughner] presents with schizophrenia," said L. Thomas Kucharski, psychology department chairman at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York.

Undertoad · 05-26-2011, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

By the way, you won't read that Loughner is Schizophrenic anywhere but here. News won't say it because it's not an official diagnosis. Doctors won't publicly speculate, because they won't diagnose without personally seeing the patient. And even if he was diagnosed, that information would be protected by healthcare privacy laws. I'm saying it on the basis of stories from fellow students and teachers at his junior college, and his YouTube videos.

As of yesterday, it's official.

NY Times: Suspect in Shooting of Giffords Ruled Unfit for Trial

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Dr. Pietz conducted 12 interviews with Mr. Loughner over nine hours. She found that his thoughts were random and disorganized and that he suffered delusions and offered nonsensical answers to her questions. She diagnosed schizophrenia.

Similarly, Dr. Carroll found after five interviews over seven hours that Mr. Loughner experienced delusions, bizarre thoughts and hallucinations and appeared to suffer from paranoid schizophrenia, the judge said. Dr. Carroll considered whether Mr. Loughner was faking a mental illness but reported that he showed no signs of that, the judge said.

Shawnee123 · 01-11-2011, 08:43 AM

We just got an email from Student/Academic support services, about how to proceed with troubled students. This Loughner guy was kicked out of community college for behavioral issues.

If you've been kicked out of community college for behavioral issues, methinks you have some monumental behavioral issues. Surely these behaviors don't exist in a vacuum. But we can't use that sort of common sense, it tramps all over our FREEDOMS (say that word loudly and pound your chest as you say it.)

If only the 9 year old girl had been packin'.

Spexxvet · 01-11-2011, 09:42 AM

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It's interesting that while the Congresswoman advocated (according to reports) concealed carry in a State that permits it, neither the Congresswoman nor anyone in her entourage appears to have availed themselves of this means of protecting themselves; or, their constituency! While the element of surprise would have still kept the Congresswoman from being saved from harm, the others who were injured and killed might have been spared if someone, anyone, had been in a viable position to respond to a lethal threat without having to wait for the perpetrator to stop and reload.

Should our tactic be reactivity, so that only one woman gets shot in the head (perhaps) and the shooter gets a hundred bullets in him from the standers-by, or should our tactic be proactivity, so that nobody gets shot in the first place?

Disclaimer: I do not think that we can stop all gun violence, but I think that, as a society, we can do a better job.

Spexxvet · 01-11-2011, 09:44 AM

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If only the 9 year old girl had been packin'.

Side note: the 9 year old girl was the granddaughter of Dallas Green, Manager of the Phillies when they won the world series in 1980.

Shawnee123 · 01-11-2011, 10:27 AM

Again, he was kicked out of COMMUNITY COLLEGE for behavioral issues. Do you know how bad you gotta be to get kicked out of CC? We're not talking the guy in the weird hat, the student who talks to himself, the guy who eats insects on his smoke break, we're talking threatening harm and intimidating people. Otherwise, we got a program for your weird ass, we want you to succeed! Eat your bugs man, we're all about diversity! We applaud you! Next week the cafe is doing a feature on bug casseroles and lizard dishes. We want you to feel at home.

But threatening people and creating an unsafe environment, that will get you kicked out of CC.

Nirvana · 01-11-2011, 10:33 AM

I did not think schizophrenics as a rule were known for violent behavior towards others.

Trilby · 01-11-2011, 11:07 AM

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I did not think schizophrenics as a rule were known for violent behavior towards others.

they can - esp. if paranoid. this guy sounds paranoid.

Shawnee123 · 01-11-2011, 11:11 AM

Heh, yeah, a catatonic schizophrenic doesn't really bother anyone.

http://psychcentral.com/lib/2006/typ...schizophrenia/

01-11-2011, 08:43 AM	#9
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	We just got an email from Student/Academic support services, about how to proceed with troubled students. This Loughner guy was kicked out of community college for behavioral issues. If you've been kicked out of community college for behavioral issues, methinks you have some monumental behavioral issues. Surely these behaviors don't exist in a vacuum. But we can't use that sort of common sense, it tramps all over our FREEDOMS (say that word loudly and pound your chest as you say it.) If only the 9 year old girl had been packin'. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

01-11-2011, 10:27 AM	#12
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Again, he was kicked out of COMMUNITY COLLEGE for behavioral issues. Do you know how bad you gotta be to get kicked out of CC? We're not talking the guy in the weird hat, the student who talks to himself, the guy who eats insects on his smoke break, we're talking threatening harm and intimidating people. Otherwise, we got a program for your weird ass, we want you to succeed! Eat your bugs man, we're all about diversity! We applaud you! Next week the cafe is doing a feature on bug casseroles and lizard dishes. We want you to feel at home. But threatening people and creating an unsafe environment, that will get you kicked out of CC. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

01-11-2011, 10:33 AM	#13
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	I did not think schizophrenics as a rule were known for violent behavior towards others. __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind.

01-11-2011, 11:11 AM	#15
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Heh, yeah, a catatonic schizophrenic doesn't really bother anyone. http://psychcentral.com/lib/2006/typ...schizophrenia/ __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

01-11-2011, 07:23 AM	#4
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Of their particular group.

01-11-2011, 08:40 AM	#6
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	By the way, you won't read that Loughner is Schizophrenic anywhere but here. News won't say it because it's not an official diagnosis. Doctors won't publicly speculate, because they won't diagnose without personally seeing the patient. And even if he was diagnosed, that information would be protected by healthcare privacy laws. I'm saying it on the basis of stories from fellow students and teachers at his junior college, and his YouTube videos.

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