Question for the right wingers

[lumberjim]

Originally posted by Lady Sidhe


I know that when I worked at the mental hospital,

you forgot the " " marks around "worked" .....

Originally posted by Lady Sidhe


, a few of the patients got pregnant, even with staff members watching them.

so, i'm visualizing a bunch of people in white coats standing around a bed........

[ladysycamore]

Originally posted by OnyxCougar
Um....are we supposed to be "offended" or hurt if we're on Radar's ignore list? I know that I wouldn't give it a second thought. Radar's little list is the equivalent of putting his fingers in his ears and saying lalalalala. And he calls ME the blithering idiot.

LOL I had to be told that I was on his list...gee I wonder why? Maybe it's because HE'S ON MINE! Whaaatever...

[depmats]

If I understand correctly, putting someone on your ignore list is breaking the cardinal rule of keeping "your friends close, but your enemies closer"

Or is that enemas?

And has anyone noticed that ignore seems to have the same root as ignorant?

[Lady Sidhe]

Originally posted by lumberjim



so, i'm visualizing a bunch of people in white coats standing around a bed........

Allow me to elaborate....

When I WORKED (as in I had an ID and could leave at the end of the day, WITHOUT having to get a pass and have someone accompanying me ) at the mental hospital, a few of the patients who had ground passes ended up going behind the church (no, I don't know which one it was) and were later found to be pregnant.

Generally, patients with ground passes still had escorts, btw.


Sidhe

[wolf]

Originally posted by marichiko


Could you give us a cite for this, Wolf? If true, it really only goes to prove my point that the government should not be allowed in such matters.

I'm still looking for that particular citation, however, I did find a very good analysis of the topic.

I really miss having a coworker with passwords to lexis/nexis.

Good one, Wolf. I thought that was a fairly logical, coherant analysis of the problem. Its just not a cut and dried issue, by any means.

[Radar]

*remove head from ass* continue conversation. Radar - i am not a big supporter of entitlement programs paid for by tax money - but damn dude - taxes are not a violation of your rights, not all services are evil, and noone is stealing from you.

Taxes are theft plain and simple. Nobody can prove otherwise and are therefore a violation of our rights. Not all services are evil, just those that are funded through theft or coercion. Privately funded social services are great.

[Troubleshooter]

Originally posted by Radar
Privately funded social services are great.

How so?

Originally posted by Radar


Taxes are theft plain and simple. Nobody can prove otherwise and are therefore a violation of our rights. Not all services are evil, just those that are funded through theft or coercion. Privately funded social services are great.

Same old dog and pony show from Radar. I think that rather then arguing the Constitution (which can be vague in some areas, and open to different interpretations of its meaning by everyone except Radar), it might be more productive (or at least more interesting) to discuss the moral and political philosophy from which a culture takes its standards. What is it that we owe society and what in turn does society owe us? How does the concept of enlightened self interest fit into the picture? Given the breakdown of the family unit, does it behoove the government to step in and make decisions for individuals that once upon a time their family members would have made? Tossing in the argument that the "Constitution says or doesn't say" is to me, merely a diversionary tactic, aimed at derailing the original question in matters such as this one.

[jaguar]

How so?

Scientology can come into your school and claim to be an anti-drug program as a private social service. (true story, look up a group called Narcanon)

[Radar]

How so?

They keep an average of less than 15 cents of every dollar for overhead and get the vast majority of money to those who need it, they are people who genuinely care about the plight of those in need, they are not funded through theft or coercion, and they can offer more help even if collecting less money. In short they are better in every possible way.

[Troubleshooter]

Originally posted by jaguar
Scientology can come into your school and claim to be an anti-drug program as a private social service. (true story, look up a group called Narcanon)

I'm familiar with scientology... *shudders*

[Troubleshooter]

Originally posted by Radar


They keep an average of less than 15 cents of every dollar for overhead and get the vast majority of money to those who need it, they are people who genuinely care about the plight of those in need, they are not funded through theft or coercion, and they can offer more help even if collecting less money. In short they are better in every possible way.

Can you give me a few compny names?

[Radar]

Here's a few links to charities that provide "human services" ranging from foodbanks, to shelters, to many other areas sorted by those who are the most "efficient". When you click on a particular charity it tells you how much they need to spend and how much gets to those who need it.

By looking under "Program Expenses" you'll see the actual percentage of money that gets to those who need it.

For instance the American Red Cross gets 91.3% of the money collected to those who need it.

The United Way gets 95.1% to those in need.

Mercy-USA for Aid and Development gets 93.6% to those in need.

International AIDS Vaccine Initiative gets 90.4% to those in need.

San Francisco Food Bank gets 97.5% to those in need.

I dare you to compare the efficiency, dedication to those in need, etc. of even a poorly performing non-profit charity to government.



http://www.charitynavigator.org/?bay...=29&sortby=rtg

http://www.charitynavigator.org/?bay...=15&sortby=rtg

http://www.charitynavigator.org/?bay...=18&sortby=rtg

http://www.charitynavigator.org/?bay...=17&sortby=rtg

http://www.charitynavigator.org/?bay...=16&sortby=rtg

[Radar]

I also did an analysis of the average of all human services charities from the worst to the best and the average amount they get to those in need is 84.1% which is almost as much as the government keeps for overhead.

http://www.charitynavigator.org/inde...subSector.y=13