What's more current than the weather?

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

They don't have to put it anywhere they're grabbing from the air to use for things like carbonating drinks and enriching greenhouse air, rather than creating new carbon dioxide from fossil fuel.

That is almost zero compared to CO2 that is produced. Many of those products simply put CO2 back in the atmosphere - where those products are already extracting CO2 from. That does nothing to address rising CO2 levels.

Once extracted, CO2 must be put somewhere else - not back in the atmosphere.

[glatt]

We should turn it into coal and bury it in the ground.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by tw

That is almost zero compared to CO2 that is produced. Many of those products simply put CO2 back in the atmosphere - where those products are already extracting CO2 from. That does nothing to address rising CO2 levels.

Once extracted, CO2 must be put somewhere else - not back in the atmosphere.

The point is they are preventing these industries who use a LOT of carbon dioxide which will end up in the air, from making new carbon dioxide out of fossil fuels.

[lumberjim]

Kewl

[Gravdigr]

I say we put it at TW's house...







...or a lake in Cameroon.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Gravdigr

I say we put it at TW's house...

I thought the routine solution was to dump it in the ghetto.

What do dump truck carrying CO2 look like?

[Gravdigr]

Originally Posted by tw

What do dump truck carrying CO2 look like?

They look like dump truck floating on cloud.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Gravdigr

They look like dump truck floating on cloud.

Just like the innovations so commonly found in Star Wars. They were so advanced as to not have nor need dump trucks.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Gravdigr

I say we put it at TW's house...

...or a lake in Cameroon.

ISWYDT, Gravedigr. Fizzy....

Note also tw's half truths, fanatically held and desperately chanted, re the American automobile (all American autos, he says) about some half-vast conspiracy to hold auto fuel efficiency and horsepower for engine displacement below some certain level -- for tw to complain arbitrarily about.

Tw's not the technician he poses as. Not even in theory. He won't shut up, and he doesn't put up. He doesn't even solicit clients here for the service in the next paragraph.

Fact is, if he were that good, he'd be personally reworking his car's engine so it'd run six weeks on ten gallons of regular, with water/methanol injection and running cylinder linings and valves at orange-red heat for high mileage. And not incidentally, delivering oxides of nitrogen enough to smog over all of Detroit. That's what really high combustion temperature in accordance with a large difference of heat from ignition to exhaust, yielding tremendous efficiency at making power from fuel, does -- if the heat-engine's an air breather.

A red hot heat-engine has a hellacious power output for its size and weight, but iron engines don't last any too well at those temps. The metal of the engine, valves, and pistons limit the temps you can burn gasoline at. And refractory ceramics are brittle, and have a short mechanical wear life to boot. Heat energy not propelling the vehicle is dumped via the radiator, circulating water through the block.

No wonder some car guys like turbochargers to scavenge energy from the exhaust.

Tw's horsepower posits all reckon without acceleration, which higher horsepower engine output adds up to considerably more than the power required to maintain cruise. Reading the tachometer in your dashboard will tell you as much -- the vrooom needle is well around the dial in max acceleration, more nearly approaching redline than at nearly any other time or regime. At 65-70 mph, reasonable highway cruise speeds, the needle's well back down: graphically showing you the engine is not generating as much to overcome air resistance and push the vehicle down the road at a pace established by equilibrium between engine output and wind resistance as it was when it was accelerating the vehicle. Engine horsepower rating is listed as a function of a certain RPM. You can do some math plugging in the lower RPM of cruise to give you how much horsepower the engine is generating then. Horsepower over and above that is not wasted; it is waiting, in reserve.

Returning to his half truths -- what our ole boy has done is built a conspiracy air castle from -- get this -- General Motors' management culture. It has a rather strange but legalistic root: General Motors was never prosecuted (nor even threatened) in an antitrust lawsuit. Yet for decades, it behaved as if in mortal fear that it would be. This defensiveness held back both on GM sales and GM technological innovation for decades, the one influencing the other: not having to push for the last sale, they had no push for innovations either. This, I think, affected only GM. Ford, for instance, never had to worry about it, and had a better idea. (This dates back towards the end of the GM tech doldrums.)

He wants us to believe it was all a malevolent conspiracy, glibly alleging it was for somebody to monetize. I put it to you: who needs a conspiracy when you have a culture? Aaaand, also note, how little tw is doing to take advantage of this wonderful opportunity.

[Gravdigr]

Cold here last night, low 28.

[Gravdigr]

[xoxoxoBruce]

Oh, our first snow forecast, isn't that special.



Only a couple hours during the day and won't amount to anything, but it's like the sailors red sky in the morning.

[Griff]

Shifting to snow for the pm commute here. Let's be careful out there.

[Gravdigr]

Had to break the water in the bird baths yesterday.

They're turned over now.

The bath, not the birds.

[Undertoad]

birb bath