Shooting at Virginia Tech - Page 13

TheMercenary · 04-19-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

What the hell is that suppose to prove? Whether or not 100,000 or 2 people have died from poisoning, it doesn’t change the fact that 12,000 people have died from homicide in 2004. I have never compared firearm deaths to any other death statistics because I don't think it is a contest, they are all horrible and we should be working to prevent deaths in every field. If you are honestly using this to back up a pro-gun view, I highly suggest looking at yourself and what you stand for.

Don't be a frigging tool... the point is that the statistics are not all that alarming when taken in the context of all deaths. 46,000 people died from MVA's and I don't hear you quoting some anti-auto site to make sensational claims. Death is a fact of life, here, over there, everywhere. I don't think this is a contest either. This is a discussion, keep it that way. Given that there were 2,400,000 deaths in the US in 2004 the figure of 12,000 deaths is a whopping 0.005% of all deaths in the US for that year.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr54/nvsr54_19.pdf

duck_duck · 04-19-2007, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Don't be a frigging tool... the point is that the statistics are not all that alarming when taken in the context of all deaths. 46,000 people died from MVA's and I don't hear you quoting some anti-auto site to make sensational claims. Death is a fact of life, here, over there, everywhere. I don't think this is a contest either. This is a discussion, keep it that way. Given that there were 2,400,000 deaths in the US in 2004 the figure of 12,000 deaths is a whopping 0.005% of all deaths in the US for that year.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr54/nvsr54_19.pdf

That is an unrealistic comparison because guns are designed weapons and cars are not.

TheMercenary · 04-19-2007, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by duck_duck

That is an unrealistic comparison because guns are designed weapons and cars are not.

I guess my comments are about things we can do to avoid deaths in general. Regardless of what causes them.

wolf · 04-20-2007, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by sycamore

I'm not sure what exactly you're saying here, Wolf. If he was schizophrenic, it certainly could have been a result of environmental and/or psychosocial factors.

Most of the current research indicates that schizophrenia is a brain disorder, either chemical or structural. Stressors can exacerbate symptoms, but they don't cause the disease.

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1) "If it bleeds, it leads"...that's journalism in today's society. Did the police really expect NBC to sit on it?

NBC only posted the excerpts they did because they were given permission. Frankly, I'd love to see the entire manifesto, including all the video clips.

I collect crazy guy manifestos whenever possible.

I have some good suicide notes, too.

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So is April the official month of crazy? Look how much bad shit has happened in April in this country.

I go to a conference every other year on Critical Incident Stress Management. Three times, half of the conference speakers (mostly the FBI guys and other sorts of feds) have had to leave because "something happened." "Something" being things like Branch Davidian, Oklahoma City, and Columbine ... all occured during the conference.

We actually experience a lull in April at the nuthouse. When I left work tonight we were at 64% capacity. We usually are closer to 95%, and gone as high as 116%, but usually manage to cap things at around 105%. Yes, we end up with more patients than we have beds.

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Originally Posted by AgentApathy

To look at these figures, it seems like we need to balance US suicide figures against those of others where violence is "less rampant." Do you really think that suicides will cease to happen if guns aren't available, or (more likely) that people will just find another way?

Although they get a lot more attention, I deal with relatively few suicides by firearm. Based on my own experience, I'd put #1 at overdose, #2 cutting, #3 jumping from high places. #4 kind of sorts out to CO poisoning, hanging, and other (I had a suicide attempt by toothpaste ingestion once). It stands to reason that a higher number of completed suicides are by firearm, but I don't think it would #1 for attempts. Stats on completed suicides are pretty easy to find, I've searched around a bit and can't find any for attempt without completion. There are 16 attempted suicides for every completed suicide according to the CDC.

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Originally Posted by duck_duck

That is an unrealistic comparison because guns are designed weapons and cars are not.

Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than ALL of my firearms (and knives and swords).

duck_duck · 04-20-2007, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than ALL of my firearms (and knives and swords).

That is irrelevant. Whomever ted kennedy is, his car was not designed as a weapon nor is it something that can be banned because a great deal of ameicans depend on cars to work, go to the market etc.
Guns on the other hand are specifically designed to kill. It is not wise to allow a population that glorifies violence to have access to firearms.

Spexxvet · 04-20-2007, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf

...Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than ALL of my firearms (and knives and swords).

So has Laura Bush's. Your point?

Shawnee123 · 04-19-2007, 05:18 PM

Oh God these stats are cracking me up. I'm so amazed I might shoot someone.

You know what? In 2002 less people died being beat with a beverage straw than were killed by being held under water for 2 hours.

Fascinating stuff.

freshnesschronic · 04-19-2007, 05:31 PM

What is everyone arguing about I can't tell anymore.

piercehawkeye45 · 04-19-2007, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by freshnesschronic

What is everyone arguing about I can't tell anymore.

Gun deaths and rights.

piercehawkeye45 · 04-19-2007, 05:37 PM

I knew it.

This guy was made fun of throughout high school for his korean accent. He would answer a question, then would be made fun of, then he would hang his head in silence (just heard it on the news, it should pop up later). This is caused by some fucking tools that think they are better than everyone else and will not accept other people.

freshnesschronic · 04-19-2007, 05:40 PM

That's weird. One of my close friends came to the USA from S. Korea 10 years ago at the age of 10 and it is very hard to detect an accent at all if you're not a close friend and listening for it. This guy shouldn't even have an accent after he's been in the states for 15 years at age 8.

Undertoad · 04-19-2007, 05:44 PM

If everyone made fun of through high school took up arms the roads would be red with blood.

Ibby · 04-19-2007, 06:37 PM

NOBODY gets out scot-free. And not everyone goes postal about it either. Blame the sick, broken mind of the kid, not his fellow students. School bullying is bad, but not the cause of mass murder.

piercehawkeye45 · 04-19-2007, 10:18 PM

We should work to prevent deaths in all fronts, including cars and poison.

Ibram, I am not putting all the blame on the kids that made fun of him and I don’t have any sympathy for this guy, I can just relate to him in some ways. He had no right to do this or even come close to doing this but I am just making the point that if you make some kids life a living hell and make him feel excluded from society and you let him buy a gun, what do you think would have happened?

zippyt · 04-19-2007, 10:31 PM

I have NOT red ANY of this thread , ALL you gun haters F off and die !!!

Look at this and wounder WHY kids Kill !!!

04-19-2007, 05:18 PM	#7
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Oh God these stats are cracking me up. I'm so amazed I might shoot someone. You know what? In 2002 less people died being beat with a beverage straw than were killed by being held under water for 2 hours. Fascinating stuff. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

04-19-2007, 06:37 PM	#13
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	NOBODY gets out scot-free. And not everyone goes postal about it either. Blame the sick, broken mind of the kid, not his fellow students. School bullying is bad, but not the cause of mass murder. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

04-19-2007, 10:31 PM	#15
zippyt LONG LIVE KING ZIPPY! per Feetz Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arkansas Posts: 7,661	I have NOT red ANY of this thread , ALL you gun haters F off and die !!! Look at this and wounder WHY kids Kill !!! __________________ "Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get. " Brother Dave Gardner

04-19-2007, 05:31 PM	#8
freshnesschronic Professor Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,555	What is everyone arguing about I can't tell anymore.

04-19-2007, 05:37 PM	#10
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	I knew it. This guy was made fun of throughout high school for his korean accent. He would answer a question, then would be made fun of, then he would hang his head in silence (just heard it on the news, it should pop up later). This is caused by some fucking tools that think they are better than everyone else and will not accept other people.

04-19-2007, 05:40 PM	#11
freshnesschronic Professor Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,555	That's weird. One of my close friends came to the USA from S. Korea 10 years ago at the age of 10 and it is very hard to detect an accent at all if you're not a close friend and listening for it. This guy shouldn't even have an accent after he's been in the states for 15 years at age 8.

04-19-2007, 05:44 PM	#12
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	If everyone made fun of through high school took up arms the roads would be red with blood.

04-19-2007, 10:18 PM	#14
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	We should work to prevent deaths in all fronts, including cars and poison. Ibram, I am not putting all the blame on the kids that made fun of him and I don’t have any sympathy for this guy, I can just relate to him in some ways. He had no right to do this or even come close to doing this but I am just making the point that if you make some kids life a living hell and make him feel excluded from society and you let him buy a gun, what do you think would have happened?

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