Why is Obama Black? - Page 13

Undertoad · 01-09-2011, 10:27 PM

4WD/AWD in deep snow is a ton of fun. Rolling through 8" deep side roads with no trouble.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-10-2011, 01:28 AM

Yeah, but tw's only experience is reading consumer reports and the economist.

TheMercenary · 01-12-2011, 08:11 PM

Hint.

Obama is not black.

DanaC · 01-12-2011, 08:13 PM

Hint.

It doesn't matter.

TheMercenary · 01-13-2011, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

Hint.

It doesn't matter.

To whom?

ZenGum · 01-13-2011, 05:21 AM

Obama is 85% black because he was run down by too many 4WD SUVs.

DanaC · 01-13-2011, 02:09 PM

Okay, well let's take a different tack: why is it important?

TheMercenary · 01-13-2011, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

Okay, well let's take a different tack: why is it important?

I guess because a lot of people have co-opted his blackness for their own purposes and to his credit he has generally resisted. But yet I rarely hear of him refered to as half-black, multi-racial would be more accurate. By rarely identifying the other part of his background he ignores it, with the rare exception of pandering to to the crowd when required. Again, to his credit he has done a good job of generally staying out of it, with a few exceptions.

Happy Monkey · 01-13-2011, 04:02 PM

In this context, race doesn't have a scientific definition; only a societal one. The definition of who is black is a legacy of our racist past, and generally means, as mentioned in post four, having any known black ancestors. Otherwise, the concept of "passing" as white would be meaningless.

I'm not sure that a move to "biracial" is necessarily any better. Is the black parent black by historical definition, the child is biracial, and from then on any decendants they have are biracial by the same rule with a new label that labeled their parent black? Is that better?

TheMercenary · 01-13-2011, 04:36 PM

Not really better. Because it contributes to the notion of the "One Drop Rule". And I can't support that.

DanaC · 01-13-2011, 08:27 PM

I suspect it's a lot simpler than that. He has met the world, and the world met him as a 'black' man because that is what he looks like, if we accept the general usage of the word 'black' to describe people who appear to be of African descent.

There is also a wider sense in which anybody who is not white, is met by the world as black.

That's identity level stuff. I say let the man figure out his own identity. It's one of the things people from a multi racial background have to get to grips with in a way the rest of us simply do not.

Lamplighter · 01-13-2011, 08:53 PM

Yes, I'm still having trouble coming to grips with the Irish in me.

TheMercenary · 01-13-2011, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter

Yes, I'm still having trouble coming to grips with the Irish in me.

That is why we call your people IA's and give you extra special treatment for the great care you got in the work houses of Boston.

monster · 01-14-2011, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter

Yes, I'm still having trouble coming to grips with the Irish in me.

Use a little less lube next time.

TheMercenary · 01-13-2011, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

I say let the man figure out his own identity. It's one of the things people from a multi racial background have to get to grips with in a way the rest of us simply do not.

He does not have that choice anymore. He became President of the United States.

01-10-2011, 01:28 AM	#2
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ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	Obama is 85% black because he was run down by too many 4WD SUVs. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

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Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	In this context, race doesn't have a scientific definition; only a societal one. The definition of who is black is a legacy of our racist past, and generally means, as mentioned in post four, having any known black ancestors. Otherwise, the concept of "passing" as white would be meaningless. I'm not sure that a move to "biracial" is necessarily any better. Is the black parent black by historical definition, the child is biracial, and from then on any decendants they have are biracial by the same rule with a new label that labeled their parent black? Is that better? __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

01-13-2011, 04:36 PM	#10
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Not really better. Because it contributes to the notion of the "One Drop Rule". And I can't support that. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

01-09-2011, 10:27 PM	#1
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