What would Martin Niemoller think about Arizona?

[classicman]

ok - send in the troops.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by classicman

ok - send in the troops.

You don't think it can be done peacefully?

[classicman]

Nope

How is that solution rectifying any of the other illegal immigrants?
You seem to be only addressing those from Mexico.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by classicman

How is that solution rectifying any of the other illegal immigrants?
You seem to be only addressing those from Mexico.

You're funny. Do you forget this exchange from earlier in the thread?

Originally Posted by classicman

I have said "secure the border" repeatedly, so I'll respond in kind.

I do not know how to do it - no idea. well maybe one - There is this great wall I've heard about in China. ....

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Don't forget the ones that fly in.
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Originally Posted by classicman

I'm glad you find it humorous - Whats the percentage that fly in versus every other means?
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[TheMercenary]

Why do you liberals support Human Trafficing?

[classicman]

Support broadens among Americans for Arizona's tough illegal-immigrant law, while opposition sags

President Obama is opposed to the strict new illegal-immigrant law in Arizona. But a new poll now finds that he is in a shrinking minority of Americans and Democrats who do.

A new Pew Research Center Poll finds fully 73% of the country thinks police requesting immigration status documents is fine, while 67% think detaining someone for a status check is OK.

The poll reports that, overall, 59% approve of the law's broad provisions, while less than a third (32%) now oppose them. That is up significantly from a similar poll earlier this month.

Democrats, a large majority of whom originally opposed the law, are now....
... evenly split 45-46% approve-disapprove. The number of Democrats supporting the measure has been growing as more information spreads about its legal provisions and safeguards.

Republicans overwhelmingly approve the law (85%) signed by Republican Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer in frustration over federal inaction on securing the state's borders with Mexico. A solid majority of independents (64%) also support the controversial measure. (See several related items below, including the law's full text.)

Even among young people, where support for the law is weakest, a majority support requiring people to produce immigration documents upon request by police.

Obama has called Arizona's state action "misguided," while agreeing that broad immigration reforms are needed. However, he's added that he does not see the "appetite" for addressing the problems after his rancorous intra-party healthcare debate. Nor has he taken additional steps to secure the borders.

The issue, involving fears of rising crime, assaults and illegal drug trading, has the potential to become an emotional one in this year's evolving midterm election campaigns and not to the advantage of congressional incumbents, most of whom are Democrats.

Fifty-four percent of Americans in the new Pew Poll disapprove of Obama's job performance on immigration while those who approve have waned from 31% last November to 29% last month to 25% today.

Again, Obama's Democratic party is now split (38% disapprove, 37% approve). Predictably, 75% of Republicans disapprove of his job in that area. But of potential future concern for the White House is that, among independents, a crucial leg of his national support in 2008, more than twice as many disapprove of his immigration handling (57%) as approve (25%).

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Thats an interesting development. I expected this to go the other way.

[classicman]

An Arizona utility commissioner said he's willing to pull the plug on Los Angeles if the city goes through with a boycott of his state.

In a letter to the city of LA, a member of Arizona's power commission said he would ask Arizona utility companies to cut off the power supply to Los Angeles. LA gets about 25 percent of its power from Arizona.

"That is one commissioner who has that idea -- whether he can do that or not is another idea," said LA Councilman Dennis Zine. "They are the ones who have to make the move, not us."

The commissioner's power grid play is in response to the city's approval of a resolution directing city staff to consider which contracts with Arizona can be terminated.

Whether he can do it or not I dunno, but I like his style. The man has balls for even bringing it up.

If an economic boycott is truly what you desire, I will be happy to encourage Arizona utilities to renegotiate your power agreements so Los Angeles no longer receives any power from Arizona-based generation.

I am confident that Arizona’s utilities would be happy to take those electrons off your hands. If, however, you find that the City Council lacks the strength of its convictions to turn off the lights in Los Angeles and boycott Arizona power, please reconsider the wisdom of attempting to harm Arizona’s economy.

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Originally Posted by classicman

Whether he can do it or not I dunno, but I like his style. The man has balls for even bringing it up.

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I would imagine there is a binding intergovernmental agreement between AZ and CA.

So why do you think this guys has more balls than those who want to boycott AZ?

[Clodfobble]

I'd say cutting off someone's power takes more balls than simply refusing to do business with them. Which place would you rather live: the one that just lost some labor/trade contracts and is gonna have to eat ramen for awhile, or the one in pitch blackness, with no A/C in 100+ degree summer heat?

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

I'd say cutting off someone's power takes more balls than simply refusing to do business with them. Which place would you rather live: the one that just lost some labor/trade contracts and is gonna have to eat ramen for awhile, or the one in pitch blackness, with no A/C in 100+ degree summer heat?

Or it is just political grandstanding.

I dont know the details of the AZ-CA interstate agreement, but most such agreements, particularly for defined services, are in the form of binding contracts.

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by Redux

Or it is just political posturing.

Just like the original boycott threat. I thought it was a well-played response.

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Just like the original boycott threat. I thought it was a well-played response.

I agree boycotts are political as well.

The difference, IMO, is the boycott has the force of action behind it and voiding a valid intergovernmental contract (if that is the case) does not which would make it an empty threat.

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It is even less than an empty threat....just some dude in AZ (running for reelection to the AZ Commission) blowing hot air.

Given that Southern California Edison, the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power and other California utilities have an ownership stake in major power plants in Arizona.

[classicman]

I think it was symbolic and a great response to one state trying to exert its influence over another. What will happen if the AZ bill goes thru and illegals then try to cross somewhere else. I wonder where that would would be? Ohhh thats right CA.

[classicman]

Oh. My. Gawd.

[Spexxvet]

Sounds like the healthcare reform debate