Merc - Wtf?

[infinite monkey]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

@Classic: It's OK for you to come back to TheCellar now.
It has returned to the old place you seem to miss.

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Now maybe Merc will feel comfortable and grace us with his presence too.

I luvz lamp!

I really feel there needs to be a "Jane, you ignorant slut" and a "Dan, you pompous ass."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Curtin

[Spexxvet]

I find it difficult to pal around with someone who wants, philosophically, to buttfuck me in the mouth.

I have more respect for someone who is obnoxious in fighting bigotry than I do for someone who is obnoxious in supporting bigotry.

[Ibby]

basically, sexobon, your argument is that... i'm being oppressive and bad myself by calling out oppressive people, and since i'm doing so belligerently, i'm hurting my cause by alienating potential allies, right?

That's what they've said about every radical social movement ever. and yet social movements don't work but on the backs of their radical wing! No deification of MLK without Malcolm X. No deification of Gandhi without riots and radicals. No whitewashed modern gay rights movement without Stonewall.
I'm stonewall, bitches, every minute of every day. I'm not gay as in happy, i'm queer as in fuck you. I'm actually out there trying to make the lives of ALL my queer brothers and sisters better, not just the white cis male ones, and that means fighting all the intersectionalities of oppression that trans men, trans women, queer MoC, queer WoC, trans MoC, trans WoC, rich queers, poor queers, and every other combination of intersectionality there is.
If you don't like it, you could try not being oppressive, instead of bitching at me for having a problem with it.

[sexobon]

I'll take that for what it's worth coming from a done nothing heterophobe.

To use an unrelated statement by UT: I like you; but, not that much.

I only say that because I've known people are were so much better at your game than you are.

[Ibby]

Do you honestly, really think there's a such thing as heterophobia? Really?
When's the last time a straight person suffered for their straightness?
I'll wait.

[sexobon]

In your paranoid hands, yes indeed, a lot of decent people are suffering. Have you no compassion for them, no tolerance for their transition? Is instant gratification everything to you? You don't relinquish anything by being patient with people in the Cellar. You sacrifice everything by pushing them before they're ready. That's the difference between knowledge and experience. It's something you've failed to recognize. So be it. You failed. Let it be a lesson to others like you. You're beyond redemption.

[Ibby]

Whose transition to what? Who am I causing to suffer? What am I paranoid about? What have I failed to recognize? I literally have no clue what you mean?

[sexobon]

I'm sorry that you're an uninformed dolt; but, I'm not sorry about your finger.

[Ibby]

Originally Posted by sexobon

I'm sorry that you're an uninformed dolt; but, I'm not sorry about your finger.

Could you be any less clear? I don't think it's my reading comprehension that's at fault here, unless you're honestly calling the entire cellar too backwards to embrace trying to meet minimum standards of human decency, which is what it sounds like you're saying. and then saying i'm making life worse for somebody-or-other by calling oppression oppression? because that's too patently ridiculous even for you.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by Ibby

Could you be any less clear? I don't think it's my reading comprehension that's at fault here, unless you're honestly calling the entire cellar too backwards to embrace trying to meet minimum standards of human decency, which is what it sounds like you're saying. and then saying i'm making life worse for somebody-or-other by calling oppression oppression? because that's too patently ridiculous even for you.

You're boring me. Go away. I'm being entertained by Happy Monkey now. What can I say, I'm fickle.

[Ibby]

So you admit you're just being a troll. And here I was hoping for actual intellectual stimulation. Such is life on the internet.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by Ibby

So you admit you're just being a troll. And here I was hoping for actual intellectual stimulation. Such is life on the internet.

Admit nothing. Deny, deny, deny and counter accuse. You've got a lot to learn you dumb cuntless.

[Sundae]

Sexo, didn't you say you weren't going to respond to Ibs any more?
I thought that was a wise response.

Ibby I think you need to learn that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
I know you're doing it for a cause, but there's not much difference between visionaries and tyrants except history.
I don't think the Cellar is the right place for the battle you are fighting right now.

[Pico and ME]

Originally Posted by Sundae

Sexo, didn't you say you weren't going to respond to Ibs any more?
I thought that was a wise response.

Ibby I think you need to learn that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
I know you're doing it for a cause, but there's not much difference between visionaries and tyrants except history.
I don't think the Cellar is the right place for the battle you are fighting right now.

It just may be the perfect place. She's practicing...honing her skills. She is writing that paper, so she is really immersed in it right now. Some people are getting their nose really bent out of shape but that's ok, this is the cellar afterall, and she will take her lumps for it.
Her passion may be getting in the way of her common sense, but it is understandable to me.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by Sundae

Sexo, didn't you say you weren't going to respond to Ibs any more?
I thought that was a wise response. ...

Allow me to clarify. I said that I wasn't going to intervene, not that I wasn't going to reply. It's whacko extremists like Ibby who refuse to have civil communication about anything with others whom they've judged to be impediments to their agendas. Nonintervention means I recognize that Ibby is at a place in her life where she treats people as resources to be strip mined to further her agendas and that for her the end justifies the means. I'm simply not going to be an enabler by communicating with Ibby at a level where she can glean insights into techniques that she obviously hasn't learned yet. It doesn't mean that I can't use her for my own entertainment, to which end my means are automatically justified, thus applying her standards for relationships back on her. I'm just a mirror: If Ibby doesn't like what she sees, she's always had the option of changing her appearance.