Which one of you cowards is Ferd Sheed?

[xoxoxoBruce]

WTF, in the first one he called her a lesbian five times including when he said he didn't know if she was a lesbian or not. From the little clip they showed, I didn't think she was presenting as a man at all, she looked like a chick to me.
It looked to me like she was just protesting.

[Snakeadelic]

...And this is why there are people out there screaming that no American should be allowed to hide behind "screen names" or "user IDs" or whatever you want to call it--that we should all have to log in on a pre-net page with our real names before we can go anywhere digital, and that we should not be allowed to change our user names after that login. I happen to disagree with that stance.

I've dated trans people before and found their world to be lively and colorful (including the purple metalflake convertible Sebring one of the most fun ones had just bought). Bigotry against a demographic group because of ONE aspect of their existence seems to me to be a criminal waste of time and brains. That said, I am a horrible bigot in my free time...but STUPID is my focus, and it doesn't have a color or religion or gender identity all to itself.

This place is as close as I currently come to social media. I've never had a page on FB or LinkedIn or anything else popular; I had one on MySpace about 15 years ago but so did everyone else (but not their cats, who had to wait for FB just like the "the first image in my timeline is the sonogram my mom put up when she made me this page" generation). I killed my Twitter account because I had it so I could converse in realtime with someone who doesn't get good cell access and that person isn't real interested in speaking to me any more. When pressed about it IRL, I fall back on "I maintain that social networks are for social people, which lets me right out."

The hardest thing I do is one that I don't recommend to others because it would never gain widespread acceptance. I don't knowingly lie online, and I don't say things in a forum that I would not in a face-to-face conversation. No wonder the greater world wants nothing to do with me--I have no idea how to communicate IRL any more!

[Undertoad]

We are all social people to some degree though; man the gregarious animal, rarely lives as a hermit, even when man is busy being inhuman to other men.

I don't claim to understand it; I'm about as stupidly introverted as they make people, but I still need a little conversation here and there or I'm doomed.

[Undertoad]

But to the topic at hand; it is clear now that this issue is simply the next battle in the culture war; and one need not be too concerned about it. It actually feels like another losing issue for people like Fred. I even begin to feel a little sad for the losing side. They are like 0 and 10 in the last 10 battles. The victory lap over gay marriage must have been pretty devastating, and now they are left fighting over bathrooms at Target.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

But to the topic at hand; it is clear now that this issue is simply the next battle in the culture war; and one need not be too concerned about it. It actually feels like another losing issue for people like Fred. I even begin to feel a little sad for the losing side. They are like 0 and 10 in the last 10 battles. The victory lap over gay marriage must have been pretty devastating, and now they are left fighting over bathrooms at Target.

I hope so. But this is more than just fighting over bathrooms - the same legislation that makes it illegal for someone to use the 'wrong' bathroom also removes legal protection against discrimination in many other ways. It is a massively retrograde step.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

I even begin to feel a little sad for the losing side.

I see them on that social media site everyday hoping the echo chamber is reality. Someday their churches need to catch up so we don't have sexuality in a good bad sorting bin. I truly feel bad for the teenagers being raised in this defensive posture.

Someone needs to build a conservative party out of something other than hate because these Democrats, who are pretty terrible in their own right, are going to get a bunch of free victories and a resulting shit ton of corruption.

[xoxoxoBruce]

American Family Association is right to boycott Target for LBGT friendly policies, but doesn't go far enough. They should include Facebook, Twitter, Google, Apple, McDonald’s, Coca-Cola, Anheuser-Busch, Walgreens, CVS, Boeing, American, United, Southwest, JetBlue, Alaska Airlines, Ford, GM, Toyota, Nissan, Volkswagen, Nike, Chase, Bank of America, Citi, Wells Fargo, Mastercard, Visa, American Express, Discover, IKEA, Home Depot, JCPenney, Sears, Nordstrom, General Mills, Kellogg, Kraft, Kroger, DirecTV, Sirius XM Radio, Sony, Universal, Paramount, Disney, Warner Bros, Comcast, AT&T, and Time Warner, for starters.

[DanaC]

I didn't get the impression she was in there 'protesting'. I got the impression she was in the toilets with her friends and only started protesting when she was being asked to prove her gender or leave.

Here'sthe full clip. The woman who was being removed and her friends appear to have been queing in the toilets together when the police arrive to remove her, presumably because someone has objected to a masculine looking person being in the ladies. Even when it is pointed out that she is a girl, the police still insist on calling her 'sir'.

[Undertoad]

J's daughter's fiancee has been told to leave women's bathrooms for looking like a guy. (she refused.)

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

J's daughter's fiancee has been told to leave women's bathrooms for looking like a guy. (she refused.)

I've never been asked to leave anywhere for looking like a guy, but I have been mistaken for a guy many times over the years. One time I was mistaken for a guy in drag, because I was wearing a short fitted dress and kitten heels.

Somewhat annoyingly, the cross-dressing gay friend J and I flat shared with for a few months borrowed the same dress and the same pair of kitten heels off me one time and he was propositioned by like five straight men.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Fortunately there's the Citadel in Idaho to be safe from catching the ghey from those rejects in Group W.

[Undertoad]

It is a massively retrograde step

Don't worry, they are going to lose again.

As I pointed out to an old friend of mine who is on the losing side

You are now taking your children to Walmart to protect them from the toxic culture at Target. Enjoy!

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/

[DanaC]

So basivcally they should become Amish?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Even the Amish would have trouble with some of the things they buy. There are actually over 400 companies on the list of major companies generated by the Human Rights Campaign as cool.

[monster]

The Amish shop at Walmart. Also at Thrift Stores and most of those around here employ many people in different places on the gender identity spectrum.