Hot takes on the Democratic frontrunners - Page 14

Undertoad · 11-15-2019, 08:44 AM

It's not just institutions, it's "sense-making institutions", the sources that tell us what is happening and what the narrative is.

Flint · 11-15-2019, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

It's not just institutions, it's "sense-making institutions", the sources that tell us what is happening and what the narrative is.

And it's blue. Because red doesn't have a narrative. It's just honest, hard-workin' truck drivers using their goddang common sense.

Undertoad · 11-15-2019, 02:02 PM

The conspiratorial allegations stem from a single unnamed source via the Portland Mercury story; and his video showing Ngo, walking up on the opposing element, and kind of listening in on a conversation where the side discussed where they expected a fight.

This is supposed to prove he was not reporting on the other side. But it was well understood that both sides expected a fight. It's in their mission statements as they approach the event. Ngo went to film actual violence. Any good reporter would listen in to where the shit would go down and then position himself to film that.

But, even then - all this new narrative came out three months after the attack. During the attack, Ngo was just a guy hated by Antifa for filming them and writing about them. And during the attack on video, he wasn't with Patriot Prayer; nobody defended him; he was hit from all sides, and nobody actually helped him much after the attack.

Not debunked here is the information that he had a brain hemorrhage. Debunked is the information that quick dry cement was used. The source was the Portland Police Department. At the time Ngo spoke about that, the police were still looking for information about it. The next day it was generally not found to be the case.

Does Ngo have a bias. Probably - his parents met at a Communist prison camp, so he may notice a mob of Communists becoming violent, and decide that's in his interest to report on. I won't fault him for it.

At least, he should not get beaten up for it.

Undertoad · 11-15-2019, 02:07 PM

In this instance, the "sense-making institutions" are the Portland Mercury, the Washington Examiner, and Rolling Stone. The "distributed sense-making non-institutions" are everyone on social media examining the raw video in detail and teasing out additional details and discussing the story.

Distributed sense-making non-institution is what is happening right here right now. You may find that the institutions are not blue and the non-institutions are not red. That's fine, and it's easy to find red institutions as well. But there is a disparity going on and it's interesting to see.

Flint · 11-15-2019, 02:10 PM

so we're the "red" part, and the newspapers are the "blue" part?

Undertoad · 11-15-2019, 02:16 PM

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Flint · 11-15-2019, 02:32 PM

Isn't this just the "which came first, the chicken or the egg?" debate?

Do a majority of individual Americans support some kind of common-sense gun regulation reform because a "blue" media institution is beaming that message into the hive-mind, or because they individually don't want their kids to die in a pool of blood in their algebra classroom?

Trick question-- "red" and "blue" individuals BOTH want gun reform. Red INSTITUTIONS do not. Red INSTITUTIONS don't believe in climate change. Red INSTITUTIONS want tax cuts for the obscenely rich. These are just the low-hanging fruit. If you can name a couple of "blue" ones, does it constitute a disparity?

Luce · 11-15-2019, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

Isn't this just the "which came first, the chicken or the egg?" debate?

Do a majority of individual Americans support some kind of common-sense gun regulation reform because a "blue" media institution is beaming that message into the hive-mind, or because they individually don't want their kids to die in a pool of blood in their algebra classroom?

Trick question-- "red" and "blue" individuals BOTH want gun reform. Red INSTITUTIONS do not. Red INSTITUTIONS don't believe in climate change. Red INSTITUTIONS want tax cuts for the obscenely rich. These are just the low-hanging fruit. If you can name a couple of "blue" ones, does it constitute a disparity?

This is an excellent point. I am neither a dem (except in self-defense, at this particular point in time) nor a republican by nature. I am one of those mixed-market semi-socialist types.

I just have an innate hatred of fascists, probably as a result of being knee high to my great uncles when they talked about the war.

As such, I am perfectly content with the disconnect inherent in believing in the rule of law AND believing in hitting low-rent Nazis with bricks until all the badness leaks out of them.

And I didn't need prompting from the media to be that way. It is my natural, knee-jerk reaction to bastards holding Tiki torches and chanting "The Jews will not replace us."

Flint · 11-15-2019, 02:56 PM

"Red" cheerleaders want us to believe that "blue" ideas are part of an institution, exactly because this is the opposite of the truth. "Red" has lost the culture war with INDIVIDUAL Americans. The "free-thinking maverick" narrative is just intellectual cosplay. Up there with the "I'm not allowed to say this" clowns.

Undertoad · 11-15-2019, 02:57 PM

FFS. Here's Jordan Hall's piece where he describes the Blue Church. I can't do it near justice.

Flint · 11-15-2019, 03:05 PM

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FFS. Here's Jordan Hall's piece where he describes the Blue Church. I can't do it near justice.

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These are the core concepts to understand ~~the Blue Church~~.

corrected: how *human civilization* works

WHY IS IT B L U E ? ? ?

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it solves the problem of 20th Century social complexity through the use of mass media to generate manageable social coherence.

WHY IS IT B L U E ? ? ?

Flint · 11-15-2019, 03:32 PM

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As it turns out, this fact played an important role in precisely how the Blue Church came to be, why it ended up allied with the Democratic Establishment and why it chose the particular content of the Faith. More on that in the next post perhaps.

PERHAPS !!! maybe not though

Flint · 11-15-2019, 03:42 PM

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If you feel like you are in a position to help the small group of people who are gathering around trying to at least begin to ask the right questions, drop me a line.

:::galaxy-brain virtue signalling intensifies:::

"Is your intellectual power level 'over 9,000' but people at parties keep saying 'stop bothering me' and 'I have a boyfriend' ? Join our *super special group* of intellectually gifted God-men. It's like MENSA but without an entrance exam!"

Undertoad · 11-15-2019, 04:35 PM

smarter than me is all i know

Flint · 11-15-2019, 04:38 PM

welp. I guess that is the key measure lol

11-15-2019, 02:10 PM	#5
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	so we're the "red" part, and the newspapers are the "blue" part? __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-15-2019, 02:32 PM	#7
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Isn't this just the "which came first, the chicken or the egg?" debate? Do a majority of individual Americans support some kind of common-sense gun regulation reform because a "blue" media institution is beaming that message into the hive-mind, or because they individually don't want their kids to die in a pool of blood in their algebra classroom? Trick question-- "red" and "blue" individuals BOTH want gun reform. Red INSTITUTIONS do not. Red INSTITUTIONS don't believe in climate change. Red INSTITUTIONS want tax cuts for the obscenely rich. These are just the low-hanging fruit. If you can name a couple of "blue" ones, does it constitute a disparity? __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-15-2019, 02:56 PM	#9
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	"Red" cheerleaders want us to believe that "blue" ideas are part of an institution, exactly because this is the opposite of the truth. "Red" has lost the culture war with INDIVIDUAL Americans. The "free-thinking maverick" narrative is just intellectual cosplay. Up there with the "I'm not allowed to say this" clowns. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-15-2019, 04:38 PM	#15
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	welp. I guess that is the key measure lol __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-15-2019, 08:44 AM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	It's not just institutions, it's "sense-making institutions", the sources that tell us what is happening and what the narrative is.

11-15-2019, 02:02 PM	#3
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	The conspiratorial allegations stem from a single unnamed source via the Portland Mercury story; and his video showing Ngo, walking up on the opposing element, and kind of listening in on a conversation where the side discussed where they expected a fight. This is supposed to prove he was not reporting on the other side. But it was well understood that both sides expected a fight. It's in their mission statements as they approach the event. Ngo went to film actual violence. Any good reporter would listen in to where the shit would go down and then position himself to film that. But, even then - all this new narrative came out three months after the attack. During the attack, Ngo was just a guy hated by Antifa for filming them and writing about them. And during the attack on video, he wasn't with Patriot Prayer; nobody defended him; he was hit from all sides, and nobody actually helped him much after the attack. Not debunked here is the information that he had a brain hemorrhage. Debunked is the information that quick dry cement was used. The source was the Portland Police Department. At the time Ngo spoke about that, the police were still looking for information about it. The next day it was generally not found to be the case. Does Ngo have a bias. Probably - his parents met at a Communist prison camp, so he may notice a mob of Communists becoming violent, and decide that's in his interest to report on. I won't fault him for it. At least, he should not get beaten up for it.

11-15-2019, 02:07 PM	#4
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	In this instance, the "sense-making institutions" are the Portland Mercury, the Washington Examiner, and Rolling Stone. The "distributed sense-making non-institutions" are everyone on social media examining the raw video in detail and teasing out additional details and discussing the story. Distributed sense-making non-institution is what is happening right here right now. You may find that the institutions are not blue and the non-institutions are not red. That's fine, and it's easy to find red institutions as well. But there is a disparity going on and it's interesting to see.

11-15-2019, 02:16 PM	#6
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	edited

11-15-2019, 02:57 PM	#10
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	FFS. Here's Jordan Hall's piece where he describes the Blue Church. I can't do it near justice.

11-15-2019, 04:35 PM	#14
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	smarter than me is all i know

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