So, what is the difference.... - Page 14

Undertoad · 08-03-2006, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Hippikos

Israel needs to make peace with it's neighbours, that's what I would do, but I'm not an Israelian, never can be, cause I'm not a Jew.

Assuming that we can't turn back time to when we all enraged those otherwise peaceful religous fanatics, your current answer to "What would you do?" is to negotiate with terrorists whose end position is that you should cease to exist.

Zat yer final answer?

BTW, you can be naturalized without being Jewish. That criticism is, I think, a thing of the past.

Hippikos · 08-03-2006, 09:57 AM

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...that you should cease to exist.

That's a thing of the past. The general consensus in the Arab world is that if Israel pulls back behind the 1967 borders, a lasting peace can be reached.

Re terrorist, depends on which side you are. Ones freedom fighter is the others terrorist. Many of Israels Prime Ministers started their carreer as a terrorist.

Until now the policy of Israel is of military arrogance. The present war with Hizbollah will show if this arrogance is justified. Fighting with an asymetrical oppenent is quite different as to what they learn on West Point et all (as shown in Iraq).

Spexxvet · 08-03-2006, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

What goes around comes around.

I think Maggie's link, while it has a pro-Israel slant, was very helpful. I have no reason to dispute its accuracy. Check it out.

Shawnee123 · 08-03-2006, 08:17 AM

Spexxvet · 08-03-2006, 08:28 AM

Pssssst - I heard Syria has tried to get yellow cake from an unamed African Nation - but don't tell Valerie Plame.

Undertoad · 08-03-2006, 08:29 AM

Ah, there it is. Mickey Kaus's theory, on bloggingheads.tv (video, 44 secs, broadband only)

Undertoad · 08-03-2006, 10:49 AM

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The general consensus in the Arab world is that if Israel pulls back behind the 1967 borders, a lasting peace can be reached.

That is not the position of Hezbollah or Hamas or Iran; and what do you make of the fact that they are being attacked at precisely the borders where they've pulled back, Lebanon and Gaza?

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Re terrorist, depends on which side you are. Ones freedom fighter is the others terrorist. Many of Israels Prime Ministers started their carreer as a terrorist.

Mags, do you have moral equivalency police duty this week?

MaggieL · 08-03-2006, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Mags, do you have moral equivalency police duty this week?

That's a pretty daunting assignment, mostly because the recividism rate appears to be 100%. There was even a comment earlier to the effect that criticisms of moral equivalance are just a conservative ploy..."the moral equivalance card".

I'm not sure that isn't self-referential.

Griff · 08-03-2006, 02:29 PM

Oops, I forgot to check the passports on the dead babies, my bad.

When the right plays the card they occasionally get it right, like when Jay is just being an anti-American bigot. Usually, however, it is played to limit the parameters of the discussion, absolving the US or her client States of all responsibility for their actions because we are good and have never ever done a morally questionable act, which could lead some brown folks to hate our guts.

MaggieL · 08-03-2006, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff

because we are good and have never ever done a morally questionable act

Straw man.

Griff · 08-03-2006, 03:57 PM

Sorry but that's the way you guys come off.

Happy Monkey · 08-03-2006, 04:21 PM

"Moral equivalency" is often a strawman, too. Usually used to say that you can't criticize one side for doing something if another side does something worse.

Undertoad · 08-03-2006, 04:31 PM

Was it in this thread or the other where I admitted I don't know if the current action is a good idea?

Griff · 08-03-2006, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Was it in this thread or the other where I admitted I don't know if the current action is a good idea?

I could have missed it. I screw up alot.

Undertoad · 08-03-2006, 04:44 PM

It was this one, #189:

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I don't have a position on whether Israel is doing the right or wrong thing in this case. History will tell. Maybe.

08-03-2006, 08:17 AM	#4
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	__________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

08-03-2006, 08:28 AM	#5
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	Pssssst - I heard Syria has tried to get yellow cake from an unamed African Nation - but don't tell Valerie Plame. __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

08-03-2006, 02:29 PM	#9
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Oops, I forgot to check the passports on the dead babies, my bad. When the right plays the card they occasionally get it right, like when Jay is just being an anti-American bigot. Usually, however, it is played to limit the parameters of the discussion, absolving the US or her client States of all responsibility for their actions because we are good and have never ever done a morally questionable act, which could lead some brown folks to hate our guts. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

08-03-2006, 03:57 PM	#11
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Sorry but that's the way you guys come off. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

08-03-2006, 04:21 PM	#12
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	"Moral equivalency" is often a strawman, too. Usually used to say that you can't criticize one side for doing something if another side does something worse. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

08-03-2006, 08:29 AM	#6
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Ah, there it is. Mickey Kaus's theory, on bloggingheads.tv (video, 44 secs, broadband only)

08-03-2006, 04:31 PM	#13
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Was it in this thread or the other where I admitted I don't know if the current action is a good idea?

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