WWJK: Who would Jesus Kill - Military supplier adds bible references to rifle sights

[Undertoad]

I believe that French and Russian companies got the bulk of the oil contracts when Saddam was in power, and I believe that French and Russian companies have largely bid on and won the bulk of the new contracts.

[DanaC]

Thereby putting the oil into the hands of people America can safely do business with. Rather in the hands of unreliable despots and enemies.

[Undertoad]

I know. Fucking frogs, you just can't work with them.

[DanaC]

No, you are right: they are not necessarily mutually exclusive. I just think the rationale for invasion had more to do with what benefit it would bring 'us' than what good it might do them.

And nor did I say it was a'bad' thing that America was leading that reorganisation. I disagreed with the war. I still disagree with it. I do not believe the ends justified the means. But having done the deed, it is the responsibility of the invading force/nation to restructure the country and leave it in a stronger position.

Whether it is a good thing that control of those resources is in 'friendly' hands is a different argument entirely. Self-interest and morality aren't necessarily comfortable bed fellows. We had no 'moral right' in my opinion to reshape the world according to our needs. But then 'moral right' is a luxury when it comes to foreign policy. And I know of no nation who has ever put it entirely at the head of its actions.

I know. Fucking frogs, you just can't work with them.

lol.

[DanaC]

Apparently for none of the reasons nations usually go to war.

[Griff]

Must have been boredom.

[DanaC]

Or maybe America really is the good guy of Gotham City and wanted to free the Iraqi people from a terrible dictator.

Believing everything an administration/government says to its people and believing nothing an administration/government says to its people are two extremes along the same continuum.

[TheMercenary]

Bush was a puppet.



This was better.

[classicman]

A-stan is and probably always will be a clusterfuck.

[Happy Monkey]

Iraq only came into the picture after a concentrated effort - during the Afghanistan invasion - by the Bush Administration to bring Iraq into the picture. And once they succeeded in that, they left Afghanistan a halfassed job.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Iraq only came into the picture after a concentrated effort - during the Afghanistan invasion - by the Bush Administration to bring Iraq into the picture. And once they succeeded in that, they left Afghanistan a halfassed job.

I don't disagree. My point was up to that point we were doing a great job, better than any military force up to that point, and with the fewest of troops on the ground. It was a historically successful military operation.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I don't disagree. My point was up to that point we were doing a great job, better than any military force up to that point, and with the fewest of troops on the ground. It was a historically successful military operation.

I'm sure the troops did as well as they could, but the administration sent them in with those "fewest of troops", and expended all their effort on starting a different war. I know that I (and I expect that Bruce) intended to attribute all of the halfassedness of the invasion on the administration.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

. . .attribute all of the halfassedness of the invasion on the administration.

Well you know who 80% of all problems are directly traceable to, right?
That or

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

It's Bush's fault

:p

[classicman]

War is like a box of chocolates . . .

[Pie]

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia."